Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

[scooter1369]

While I'm not going question the atmosphere at the Texas State Fair and the RRS, I will say this:

There is a reason that night games at the Horseshoe are so rare. Night games at Ohio State are sacred. We don't bestow them upon just anybody. UCLA, Washington, Pitt (when they were good). To be given this chance to play under the lights in Columbus, is essentially an honor. One well deserved.

The first ever meeting between Ohio State and Texas is a game worthy of a primetime kick off. For those coming up, you are going to enjoy yourself, despite the long drive home knowing you aren't playing for the National Title anymore.

But look on the bright side. After facing our defense, you should be better prepared for Chokelahoma and might even score on them this year.

 

[Buckeye513]

For those coming up, you are going to enjoy yourself, despite the long drive home knowing you aren't playing for the National Title anymore.

But look on the bright side. After facing our defense, you should be better prepared for Chokelahoma and might even score on them this year.

 

[schwab]

It's great to see that UT comes into this game with every intention of beating the proverbial tOSU ass. I wish y'all luck in every aspect of your endeavors, but this is going to be something you kinda have to appreciate what y'all are getting yourself into. Could UT win? Sure. IMHO, do they actually stand a snowball's chance in hell? No way. I would sit here and back up my smack with facts, figures, graphs, and charts, but it's been done these last 8 pages and it gets everyone nowhere. OSU will overpower and wear-down UT until the score looks worse than the game actually was. Both teams deserving of the top 10 rankings, OSU 33 Texas 17

 

[CleveBucks]

Must have gotten the stats mixed up, thats my bad. But still that is nothing to brag about at all.

You just don't get it. OSU hasn't had a high-scoring offense in the past four years. They've still managed a 14-0 undisputed national championship and another BCS bowl win over the Big 12 champs, 3-1 against their biggest rival, 3-1 in bowls, etc. The 2002 offense may have ranked even lower than 71st in ppg.

 

[High Lonesome]

Guidlines for the usable past:

1) Performance durring the '04 season prior to the second half of the season shall not be consdered when discussing tOSU's team on the field this year.

2) The past 5 RRS games will not be deemed usable when discussing the team that UT will field this year.

3) Seasons prior to '04 shall be permitted when discussing tOSU. This talk will even be encouraged when discussing the change from '01 to '02 teams

4) Vince Youngs performance in the rose bowl will be considered a great show and nothing more. Can you imagine if Reggie Mc Neil got to play mich that day?!!

5) Selvin Youngs past performance shall be permited and deemed viable grounds to expect a dominant injury prone runningback.

6) Mack's ooc road record will not be permited because mack is a terrible coach

7) tOSU's record at night in the shoe will be permited because they were all great teams recieving an honor

8) UT's total TD by reciever's last season shall not be considered usable material for debate. We all know stats can say anything(or in this case nothing)

9) When talking about a teams lore and tradition the past is excepted, when talking about an individuals expectations the distant past shall be excluded(ie time before siad player arived on campus)

10) this is also known as the golden rule of using the past. The past, recent or distant, shall ONLY be permited when it helps your argument.

 

[xrayrandy]

"Um, that KR TD on the first play of the spring game showed just how effective your kick coverage was."

jwinslow You should have read my post. This TD occurred with the first team return team against a group of walkons, or scrubs as I referred to them in a previous post.

Oh an I laughed at the usable past post, good stuff.

I have a simple rule, the only thing that matters is what the players who are actually in the game have done at the college level.

 

[gregorylee]

Guidlines for the usable past:

1) Performance durring the '04 season prior to the second half of the season shall not be consdered when discussing tOSU's team on the field this year.

2) The past 5 RRS games will not be deemed usable when discussing the team that UT will field this year.

3) Seasons prior to '04 shall be permitted when discussing tOSU. This talk will even be encouraged when discussing the change from '01 to '02 teams

4) Vince Youngs performance in the rose bowl will be considered a great show and nothing more. Can you imagine if Reggie Mc Neil got to play mich that day?!!

5) Selvin Youngs past performance shall be permited and deemed viable grounds to expect a dominant injury prone runningback.

6) Mack's ooc road record will not be permited because mack is a terrible coach

7) tOSU's record at night in the shoe will be permited because they were all great teams recieving an honor

8) UT's total TD by reciever's last season shall not be considered usable material for debate. We all know stats can say anything(or in this case nothing)

9) When talking about a teams lore and tradition the past is excepted, when talking about an individuals expectations the distant past shall be excluded(ie time before siad player arived on campus)

10) this is also known as the golden rule of using the past. The past, recent or distant, shall ONLY be permited when it helps your argument.

Nice to see you figured out the rules!

 

[Zurp]

Guidlines for the usable past:

Most of your "rules" make sense. A couple don't make sense to me:

6) Mack's ooc road record will not be permited because mack is a terrible coach

I don't understand this one. I would think that since this is an OOC road game for Texas, and Mack is the coach, it should be permitted in discussions. The fact that he is, as you say it, a "terrible coach," should have nothing to do with the relevance of the argument.

8) UT's total TD by reciever's last season shall not be considered usable material for debate. We all know stats can say anything(or in this case nothing)

I think the TD's by receivers should be "usable material" when discussing the inexperience and/or youth by Texas receivers. Maybe it doesn't mean "Texas has no good receivers," but it can indicate that MAYBE they're young and they may be easily affected by the hostile crowd in pressure situations.

And your next sentence reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote: "Facts can be used to prove anything that's even remotely true." Classic line.

10) this is also known as the golden rule of using the past. The past, recent or distant, shall ONLY be permited when it helps your argument.

Yeah. Why bring up a fact that hurts your argument?

 

[Dryden]

I have a simple rule, the only thing that matters is what the players who are actually in the game have done at the college level.

Then why do you have such an impossible time wrapping your stat-crazed melon around the fact that the personel that took the field in the first six games was not the same as the personel that took the field in the remaining six games? The difference on offense was as clear as night and day, and it was precipitated by the disasterous meltdown at Iowa. WRs Roy Hall and Bam Childress were, for all intents and purposes, permanently benched in favor of Gonzo and Ginn. Zwick rode the pine in favor of Smith. Lydell Ross lost his RB spot to a platoon of FB Branden Joe and Pittman. The "revolving door" blocking techniques of the offensive line were changed once half the offensive line was demoted, and those who survived the shake-up and kept their jobs found themselves in different positions as Tressel and OL-Coach Bollman juggled the depth chart to find a combination that worked.

This is why we continue to point to the second-half as a more accurate predictor of future performance ... two totally different Ohio State teams. The only players that I expect you'll find to have started all 12 games on offense are WR Santonio Holmes and C Nick Mangold.

 

[High Lonesome]

Zurp-

If it wouldn't have made it unberable to read the whole post would be in italics. It was just a satirical response to everything that i have read lately. Please, do not read too much into it as it was all in good fun.

HL

 

[xrayrandy]

Dryden I have nowhere in my posts said I had a problem considering your last 6 games as a better indicator of what you will do next year. That includes the 163 yards per game passing.

 

[Pheasant]

....... Ohio State hasn't seen an offense this good since Miami in the 02 MNC game. .....

I'm several pages behind, but I've been away a couple days, so bear with me.
What kind of weed are you smoking? Texas' offense is so prolific that they outscored scUM by 1 point. A scUM team with Mountain West caliber speed on defense, no less. What a joke. Ohio State saw a better offense in the spring game.
If what you said were true it would be a great point: Texas doesn't have as good of an offense as a team we beat over 2 years ago. Keep up the good work.


I have been pondering for a while whether or not to bring up the recent 50 point losses to your rival, and had decided not to since most of the posts on here by Texas fans (esp. High Lonesome) had been intelligent....but the last few pages have changed my mind, so here goes.
How soft do you have to be as a team and a program that you can get taken to the woodshed and "ape raped" (good one Mili) by your biggest rival twice in 4 years?

Also, someone said this would be Troy Smith's biggest game of his career. The biggest game of his career was last November, and he won. That game won't be replaced until this November.

"Also one thing I disapprove with majorly is the statement about your DB who you said should've covered Braylond Edwards. Just because he has faced Roy Williams..."

I was talking about two diffrent players. Huff is our lock down corner, but played safety versus Michigan and most other teams. In the 100 meters at least he is faster than anyone on your team. I hope he goes against Ginn as that would tell us how fast Ginn really is. Huff is a 1st round prospect. ....

I'm wondering how you know that he's faster than Teddy in the 100, since Ted didn't run the 100? Huff ran a 10.5 in high school, Jaren Hayes (MSU db) ran a 10.3 in high school. http://server1070.gisol.com/~bobtrump/TOP20.HTM#100 Watch the clip of Ginn scoring the receiving TD against MSU and tell me how fast Ginn is.
There is nobody in college football faster on the field than Ted Ginn Jr.

 

[High Lonesome]

"Ohio State saw a better offense in the spring game."

Thats debatable but since the '05 offense for either team hasn't played a down yet i will wait and see. I guess it depends on how you are ranking offenses. If you are going by points scored then i think that texas will probably end the year with a lead there. Games won could be a different story. Explosive plays should go to tOSU.

also, i don't know how you pick your teams for your spring game, but if it is a draft instead of 1O and 2D vs. 1D and 2O then i would say that UT's offense will be lightyears better than what they saw in the spring game.

 

[default]

How soft do you have to be as a team and a program that you can get taken to the woodshed and "ape raped" (good one Mili) by your biggest rival twice in 4 years?

Soft doesn't describe this team. VY brings swagger and the attitude that we're gonna pull out the win regardless of the situation. Additionally, the coaching staff changed their approach to the star players. They get pushed much harder now. The team was pretty soft a few years ago.

You can see VY's attitude spreading. Ok. St. was really proof. We were down 28 points. Two years ago, we lose by 42. But the team came out and played to win. No one left the stadium...we believe they'll pull it out.

If we need two scores in 4 minutes, they'll make it happen. 4th and 18...they'll convert it. This team's mental toughness is just remarkable.

 

[Burk98]

I am very surprised how much credit Vince Young gets for bringing this new found attitude. Benson/D. Johnson must have not done anything to lead this team last year. According to all the stats it seems like opposing defenses against Texas last year obviously had to target Benson as the top offensive threat and still did not shut him down. A great RB in college is everything and even makes offensive OL's look better. OSU 05 would look much different if we lost Hawk's leadership.