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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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I really hate responding to speed smack, but oh well.

Huff ran a 10.46 FAT in highschool, and recently a 10.48 FAT at the Big 12 championships. The 10.3 time you quoted was hand time, so it equates to something in the mid 10.5s FAT. Ginn's best reported 100m time is 10.5 hand which equates to the mid 10.7s FAT. We have a bunch of guys that fast or faster; Huff, Quan, Palmer, Taylor, Mi Griffin, Charles, C Griffin, and Brown at least. Huff's 10.46 would be the high school record in Ohio or Michigan, so it is highly unlikely that players on yours or your opponents teams are that fast.

I know that you are thinking that Ginn is faster over shorter distances, well then why were 6 players faster than him in the 10 meters at the Army combine? Frankly I'm not convinced he is that fast since he hasn't played against anyone fast enough to get a good measure of their relative speed. Everyone will have a better idea one way or the other when our game is done.

I know you're thinking about your precious video with the aforementioned DB. Well, I have watched that video and what I see is a DB facing up field when the catch is made who freezes momentatily rather than closing on Ginn. By the time he moves, Ginn has already pivoted and taken off, and is near full speed as the DB finally gets turned around. The DB takes a few quick strides to accelerate, realizes it is futlie and strides out. That video has nothing to do with speed, that DB lost any chance to catch Ginn because he hesitated and he never really tried.
 
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xrayrandy, stick to statistics or whatever you're good at, because your analysis of speed leave something to be desired. There is no faster player, in football speed, in college football than Teddy Ginn...period. Not Reggie Bush. Not Devin Hester. Not anyone on the Texas roster. Move on.
 
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There are no measurements or head to head match races to support the conclusion that Ginn is the fastest player. Given the average team speed of you competition I don't consider any of them to be a good standard of measure. The human mind is also tricked when one player is smaller and/or takes shorter strides than another. For all these reasons I won't agree that he is the fastest player in college football. I actually have no opinion on the matter since I am not prone to wild-ass-guessing.

I am curious to see what he ultimately runs in the NFL combine, and how that compares to other players.
 
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You know, there are things that don't require a specific measurement or head-to-head comparisons to understand. I've seen every single play Ginn was in last year, and no one was close to him in field speed...no one.
 
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I am very surprised how much credit Vince Young gets for bringing this new found attitude. Benson/D. Johnson must have not done anything to lead this team last year.
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There is no arguing that the offense and defense were centered around Benson and DJ. I think it was VY and Greg Robinson that brought the intensity.

Robinson worked the D much harder in practice than Carl Reese had. As a unit, our defense was much less winded in the 4th quarter than they had been in previous years. He also challenged DJ to bring his game to a higher level, and pressured him to become the leader. He was very intense on the sideline, and that was reflected on the field. We've always had talent and stars, but we never had that intensity under Reese.

Robinson influenced the staff to approach practice with more intensity. I hope that continues under Chizik.

We'll miss Benson and DJ. DJ is irreplacable, and we don't have a back that will be as consistent in '3rd and 3' type situations. If the intensity remains (and we utilize our talent), we could still be a better team.
 
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"You know, there are things that don't require a specific measurement or head-to-head comparisons to understand."

So you think Olympic track and field events should be run on different fields with different competition and no measurements, and then let the public vote on them. That is an interesting concept, but no.
 
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If your cut-and-dry, must-be-measured-to-be-real mind can't grasp the dynamic real-world concept of the difference between football speed and track speed, then I can't can't help you. Why do I get get the feeling I'm talking to one of those kids who has to wear a helmet all the time because he keeps banging his head against solid objects on purpose?
 
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xrayrandy said:
So you think Olympic track and field events should be run on different fields with different competition and no measurements, and then let the public vote on them. That is an interesting concept, but no.
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That sounds like a really lousy analogy. You're comparing the launching of a space shuttle with bottle-rockets. Track speed/timing is just "ready, set, GO" and see how much time it takes you to go from point A to point B. Widen the track from 2.5-4 feet (or however wide it is) to 160 feet (I think that's how wide the field is), include 11 defensive players, 10 other offensive players, put pads and a helmet on the player, give him a football, and tell him to score the touchdown. He's not going to run in a straight line. He has decisions to make before and during the play that are not even dreamed on a track. Thats a big reason why you can't simply take a track athlete and ask him to score you touchdowns.

And your argument for "all those players would break HS records in Ohio" sounds a lot like what we all heard near the end of 2002: "Ohio State can't hang with the explosive Florida speed."

Like I've said before on this thread, most of the arguments I've heard recently sound very similar to what we heard before all those other OOC big games these past few years.
 
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xray-ray, changing the argument in an attempt to win the argument makes you look like a 6-year old. "You can't tag me out sliding into third base because we aren't playing baseball, anymore. We're playing football. Thats two points for me because you're tackled in the endzone."

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I was going to make fun of you for that last statement Xray but then I recieved a picture taken of you right before you made that last post. Honestly I'm surprised you could even type.
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Wow. What happened to your eyes? Are those some new-style shades, or something?
 
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Speed

I keep hearing how fast OSU players are, and forty times being quoted, yet when xray calls yall on forty times you turn the discussion to game speed. You can't keep switching your argument.

There is no way of telling if Ginn is the fastest player in college football, yet It continues to be stated.
 
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