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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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goodguy said:
The Cross Country Inn on Olentangy River Road near the Buckeye Hall of Fame Cafe is now called the The Buckeye Inn, or something like that. It appears they are no longer a Cross Country Inn. Just an FYI.
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That's good to know. That's usually where we stay when we come in for a game.
 
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This is an observation that I have made over the past couple of months that I finally feel the need to point out( for the record i just left the BN board)

Every time someone talks about Vince Young(in the most recent case it was mel keiper) there seems to be two canned answers that buck fans love to give they go something like this.

1) Running qbs never do good against osu.

this one I can stomach because it is a notable trend and points to a good DC and gameplan as well as overall athletism on the defensive side of the ball. This next answer has begun to drive me up the wall.

2) Every heisman candidate that comes to the shoe does nothing.

This very well may be true but tell me how this could be an advantage for osu. It is as if the poster would rather play a vince young or matt leinhart instead of joe blow from south west louisiana school for the blind. Being a heisman candidate is NOT a bad thing. The only thing that I can think of is that the defense practices EXTRA SPECIAL HARD the week of the game, but lets be honest, it shouldn't (and im willing to bet won't) take VY being a heisman candidate to get the OSU defense ready for the game. Is this answer just people trying to cast the acheivments of a great college player aside or do some of these people beleive that it is actually to the bucks advantage to play against the best of the best?
 
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I don't think they are knocking Vince Young for being a Heisman candidate....they are just tooting the horn that we have killed a lot of Heisman dreams recently. There really have been a lot of "Heisman quality" QBs to come knocking on OSU's door and be forgetten soon after that game.
 
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In answer to jwinslow Shipley is (or maybe was) the smallest of our receivers listed at 6-0 184, but he has been doing S@C and 7 on 7 work every day all summer, so he should be stronger and more experienced. With Everett at 5-11 196 per your official site he should not be intimidated. Note in terms of guys he faces every day, Cedric Griffin is 6-2 193 and Huff is 6-1 205.

Of our other receivers Sweed at 6-5 215 creates mismatches and he has improved a lot. His backup at split end Myron Hardy 6-2 210 plays bigger than that, catches like he's rebounding. At flanker Nate Jones 6-2 190 and Billy Pittman 6-0 196 will alternate with Shipley. Pittman is more of a speed guy. Quan is shorter 5-11 but is over 200 with a 400+ bench so he should be pretty physical too, but I haven't seen him play yet and don't know where he fits in.

I would also like to contribute to the Ginn, Taylor, Bush comparison. Interestingly Ginn 16.3 yard/touch, and Taylor 13.7 yards per touch, had more yards per touch than Bush (10.3). stating the obvious, as their respective coaching staffs find ways of getting more touches for Ginn and Taylor their production should increase. As a starting RB and returner a 2000 all-pupose yard season is not out of the question for Taylor, of course someone may pass him on the depth chart making that unattainable. He did have over 200 return yards in the Rose Bowl alone, so he does have the potential to rack up some serious yardage given the chance, as do the other two players.
 
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High Lonesome said:
This next answer has begun to drive me up the wall.

2) Every heisman candidate that comes to the shoe does nothing.

This very well may be true but tell me how this could be an advantage for osu.
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It should be obvious that it's an advantage to have a proven track record at home against top-notch players. I would bet that if the situation were different (Heisman condidates coming into The Shoe and tearing us up), every Texas fan in the world would be bringing that up. Keep in mind that, with the exception of Phillip Rivers in the OTs, none of the serious Heisman candidates over the last three seasons (Kingsbury, Gesser, Johnson, Pickett, Rivers) who played at The Shoe have done squat...in fact, all but Rivers were flat out shut down.
 
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Just to be fair, I think we buckeyes should remind ourselves that Ron Dayne ran roughshod over us at the shoe in '99. I think his performance in that game was one of the major reasons why he won the Heisman that year. That was my first senior year and is probably the second worst Buckeye football game I've ever attended.
 
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We were 6-6 in 1999 IIRC... I'm not too worried about that... plus Dayne was a monster (I'd honestly be more afraid if Texas had a pocket QB but still had benson...)

Don't forget Larry Johnson in 02, plus Dorsey/McGahee & Sproles/Roberson in bowl games.
 
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jwinslow said:
We were 6-6 in 1999 IIRC... I'm not too worried about that... plus Dayne was a monster (I'd honestly be more afraid if Texas had a pocket QB but still had benson...)

Don't forget Larry Johnson in 02, plus Dorsey/McGahee & Sproles/Roberson in bowl games.
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Also, in 1999, Jim Tressel was at YSU. All of the talk about Heisman canidates being shut down at Columbus are during the Tressel era.
 
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My Prediction

I posted this on a National Message Board, but thought I would retread it here... it sprang up as the debate revolved around Michigan's D versus Texas, and how Michigan had a month to prepare, but still couldn't handle "the truth".

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Ohio State's linebackers are faster than last year's Michigan DBs. Michigan's D-Coordinator could barely control Indiana and Miami of Oxford last year. Their D-Ends played heads down, went too far upfield and the LBers have to make up for this and the underneath passing game. Michigan's O is irrelevant in this discussion but it's pretty darn good.

Michigan would have most definitely lost to Michigan State had Stanton remained healthy for the duration. Running QBs were the bane of their (Michigan's) existence last year (and I hope nothing changes, although that most likely won't be the case).

With all that said, Ohio State struggled against the nimble QB's who could sidestep the rush and deliver the short pass right where that guy came from (Basanez, Stocco and Tate, most notably). These guys all made good throws. They weren't going to run it down field a whole lot, but they were mobile enough to get an extra second to throw and VYoung no doubt will earn an extra second, so the question that is begged is can he make the throw?

I don't have an answer for that one but I see him as a wideout in the NFL at this point and not a QB. Maybe, I'm wrong, but I thought Matt Jones was a pretty good QB who should've beaten Texas last year if he just could've fallen on his face instead of fumbling. We see what position Jones is not playing in the pros... but that's not the issue. I didn't vote in this poll but I see this early season bowl game has been fairly evenly divided along party (conference) lines.

Looks like a defensive battle to me with the edge in special teams to Ohio State, knowing nothing special about Texas's special teams, Texas will kick away from Ted Ginn, and give up a short field, etc, etc and Jim Tressel forces Mack Brown into Jiu Jitsu football going for the slow, steady, methodical submission of the chokehold as Texas drives for 6 with 1:31 left on the clock trailing by 4 after an AJ Trapasso punt, getting down to the Buckeyes' 27 yard line before a 4th down pass goes sailing batted out of the left-hand front corner of the north endzone.

The two teams hug at the center of the field and celebrate what was the best game of the young college football season, kneel together at midfield for an our father, and 10 million Ohio State fans lose another year of longevity due to problems with cardiac arrest, stomach ulcers and sweaty palms and feet.

Or maybe not.

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HL, I think Buck fans throw that out there as a defense mechanism. I get tired of hearing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER that compares past practice to present expectations. Texas is 0-5 recently vs. OU. Our defense shut down the Hurricanes in the Fiesta in 2003. Vince Young shredded the Weasels in Pasadena last year. Etc....I know this is what people do on message boards, but I hate hearing it. It's moronic. So, Wilhelm, Doss, Peterson, et. al. shut down Gesser in the second half in 2002....and this has what to do with the Buckeyes in 2005 who are now without DC D'Antonio and every single starter on that squad? You might make a mild psychological argument in favor of your team, but it's about as scientific as scientology...

An embarrassing example of "trends" is the record of Wisconsin against the Bucks in the last few years. We're on a three-game losing streak in the Shoe. Haven't won at home since 1996. So, I guess we should agree with Wisky QB Bollinger, that they own the 'Shoe? I doubt it.

Just throw it all out the window. Both teams will show up to play. Anything can happen (except a 'Horn rout :biggrin: ). I've been surprised by Buckeye teams (1995's explosion came out of nowhere); and I've been disappointed by Buckeye teams (last year at 3-3). I've got every reason to believe these guys can bottle up Vince. It'll be great to find out.

P.S. Great post, slickman.
 
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luckobucko said:
Just to be fair, I think we buckeyes should remind ourselves that Ron Dayne ran roughshod over us at the shoe in '99. I think his performance in that game was one of the major reasons why he won the Heisman that year. That was my first senior year and is probably the second worst Buckeye football game I've ever attended.
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Totally irrelevant to the Texas game. First, that was six seasons ago against a mediocre defense that not only gave up 42 second-half points to Dayne and Wisconsin at The Shoe but also 46 points to Illinois six weeks later, also at The Shoe. That is the only season in our long and storied history in which we gave up 42+ points at home twice in a season...fuckin' John Cooper. Second, Texas does NOT have a Ron Dayne-quality runner right now...the one they did have just graduated and will be playing on Sundays this fall. If Texas has to resort to a steady running game against us, they'll be hurtin'.
 
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"It should be obvious that it's an advantage to have a proven track record at home against top-notch players..."

I don't think that its an advantage but rather a comforting fact. You can take comfort that in the past you have done well against heisman candidates but wouldnt you rather have the heisman candidate on your team? Advantage implies that you have the better players. In this case you may believe that you do, which is why i will never discount a,"AJ Hawk will stop VY" comment. While i disagree it is surely a valid oppinion. I am also of the oppinion that Kingsburry and Pickett had nothing on VY, Gesser was very good at Washington state but I would still rather have VY. Johnson(i am assuming Larry) was a great back for Penn State but thats an all together different possision. I would be much more interested to see how the buck teams of the past did against mike vick. Unfortunatly I will just have to wait for the 10th
 
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