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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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MililaniBuckeye said:
Here's what I show for our red-zone offense. To be included, we must have a first down at or inside our opponent's 20-yard line (4th-and-1 at their 19, etc., doesn't count).

Indiana:
First down: 19 yard line (no score, interception)
First down: 9 yard line (TD)
First down: 9 yard line (FG)

Minnesota:
First down: 16 yard line (FG)
First down: 11 yard line (TD)

Illinois:
First down: 5 yard line (FG)
First down: 7 yard line (FG)
First down: 4 yard line (TD)
First down: 16 yard line (TD)
First down: 8 yard line (TD)
First down: 16 yard line (no score, 4th string RB runs out clock)

Northwestern:
First down: 10 yard line (TD)
First down: 16 yard line (TD)
First down: 20 yard line (TD)
First down: 4 yard line (TD)
First down: 3 yard line (TD)

Michigan:
First down: 10 yard line (TD)
First down: 12 yard line (FG)
First down: 4 yard line (TD)

Notre Dame:
First down: 15 yard line (no score, fumble)
First down: 11 yard line (no score, blocked FG kicked on first down at end of half)
First down: 16 yard line (FG)
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According to the stats I got from the official site, there was 1 more FG against Indiana, and 2 FG's against NW'ern that were also categorized as red zone scores. Looking at the timing of the non-score against Illinois is useful.
 
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BB73 said:
According to the stats I got from the official site, there was 1 more FG against Indiana, and 2 FG's against NW'ern that were also categorized as red zone scores. Looking at the timing of the non-score against Illinois is useful.
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I didn't count the second FG at Indiana because we had a first down at the Indiana 21, and kicked the FG from the Indiana 12 on 4th-and-1.

I missed that the first FG drive against Northwestern started at the NW 18 so that's my bad (we had a loss on a run and then penalty with pushed us outside the 20, so I misread that).

I didn't count the second NW FG because we had a first down at the NW 26 and kicked the FG from the NW 20 on 4th-and-4.
 
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I could care less about tOSU's RED-ZONE stats for last year, Im worried about this year and their offense having the talent to take it to the house from ANYWHERE on the field, which last year aside from T. Ginn, and S. Holmes, was not a huge concern for the UT defense. This game is going to be hell on earth between the 20's, but this year for this game at least, I think both teams will be more aggresive once crossing midfield, which may favor a power running team, or a QB that can SCRAMBLE.
 
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UTMNC said:
I could care less about tOSU's RED-ZONE stats for last year, Im worried about this year and their offense having the talent to take it to the house from ANYWHERE on the field, which last year aside from T. Ginn, and S. Holmes, was not a huge concern for the UT defense. This game is going to be hell on earth between the 20's, but this year for this game at least, I think both teams will be more aggresive once crossing midfield, which may favor a power running team, or a QB that can SCRAMBLE.
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I'm recording this as your fourth day straight without getting into the scotch, is the missus back in town? :wink2:

BTW, the sportline article which BB73 posted in the thread on Academic reform also had a link to another article in the side-bar - this was devoted to Jamaal Charles, who is getting more of the press now that Taylor's '06 season is heavily in doubt.

Dodd

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] If it's OK with Mack Brown, it's OK with Jamaal Charles: Shock the nation with another national championship. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] If you consider shock to be men running around in short pants at the four-day, all-day NCAA outdoor track championships then, yes, it is a big deal. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] <table align="left" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="175"> <tbody><tr> <td width="175">
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</td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="175"> Jamaal Charles hopes to be part of two title teams in one school year. (Getty Images) </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] For the rest of us, playing Texas Hold 'Em with Bevo offers more stimulation than track. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Still, a title is a title for Texas' go-to tailback-in-waiting. Charles came to Austin as a big-time tailback last year with the idea that he wanted to run track, too. Let's just say his sprint aspirations have done more than keep him in shape for football. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Led by Charles and seniors Brian Robinson, the Longhorns are trying to become only the second school since the AP football poll debuted in 1936 -- and the first in 39 years -- to win football and track national championships in the same academic year. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] "I have a blessing in track, too," said Charles, the Big 12's reigning 100-meter champion. "Why not run track until I can't run no more?" [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Running the third leg for the winning 400-meter relay team Saturday, Charles helped Texas finish first in the NCAA Midwest Regional and clinch an automatic team berth in the NCAAs. Charles will also run the 100 and 200 in the NCAA outdoor track championships that began Wednesday in Sacramento, Calif. The meet ends Saturday. [/FONT]
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Official: 22 TDs to 16 FGs in 47 trips (season), 12 TDs to 9 FGs in 25 trips (final 6 games).
TD:FG:empty was 47:34:19 for the season, 48:36:16 for the final 6 games.

We were 74:13:14 for the season. Our official stats show 53 TDs to 9 FGs in 72 trips. We'll have less trips next year, but hopefully we can keep punching it in.

Determine the red-zone stats however you want. The numbers will be different, but I still don't think there will be a difference in efficiency.
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Anyway, you lack the ability to score from ANYWHERE on the field if you can't score in the RED-ZONE. Fact: the last time Ginn scored in the red-zone he was lined up as a QB over a year ago.

Hey, we might get burned by a long TD once. More than that, it's just highly unlikely - our D isn't all that comparable to Minn. or Illinois or ND. I personally feel comfortable with Ross on Ginn, Brown on Gonzo, and the Griffins over the top.

FGs ain't gonna do it, so red-zone conversion is pretty important.
 
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BrockSamson said:
Official: 22 TDs to 16 FGs in 47 trips (season), 12 TDs to 9 FGs in 25 trips (final 6 games).
TD:FG:empty was 47:34:19 for the season, 48:36:16 for the final 6 games.

We were 74:13:14 for the season. Our official stats show 53 TDs to 9 FGs in 72 trips. We'll have less trips next year, but hopefully we can keep punching it in.

Determine the red-zone stats however you want. The numbers will be different, but I still don't think there will be a difference in efficiency.
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Anyway, you lack the ability to score from ANYWHERE on the field if you can't score in the RED-ZONE. Fact: the last time Ginn scored in the red-zone he was lined up as a QB over a year ago.

Hey, we might get burned by a long TD once. More than that, it's just highly unlikely - our D isn't all that comparable to Minn. or Illinois or ND. I personally feel comfortable with Ross on Ginn, Brown on Gonzo, and the Griffins over the top.

FGs ain't gonna do it, so red-zone conversion is pretty important.
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Well, your RZ stats for last year mean shit because Vince Young isn't back. And your statement "you lack the ability to score from ANYWHERE on the field if you can't score in the RED-ZONE" is one of the most moronic I've read in a long time. We failed to score two out three times from the RZ in the Fiesta Bowl, yet all four of our TDs were 58+ yards. Now just sit back and ponder how monumentally stupid your statement was.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Well, your RZ stats for last year mean shit because Vince Young isn't back. And your statement "you lack the ability to score from ANYWHERE on the field if you can't score in the RED-ZONE" is one of the most moronic I've read in a long time. We failed to score two out three times from the RZ in the Fiesta Bowl, yet all four of our TDs were 58+ yards. Now just sit back and ponder how monumentally stupid your statement was.
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I'm not sure it was so stupid, mililani. I see you firmly believe that, but let's explain why its not:

Just because you have a phenomenal scoring percentage against a shitty defense (e.g. ND, Illinois, Minn), when most are on big plays (as big plays are more possible the shittier the defense) doesn't mean its stupid to say unless you're better at converting sustained drives and red zone opportunities, your offensive success is going to take a hit against a better defensive team. The proof is in the pudding against the best defensive teams you played all year, in Texas, PSU, and even Michigan. I guess you've improved since then, but we'll see...

P.S. - No one's saying your offense is guilty of being too-explosive or not red zone efficent enough to necessitate change in game like the Fiesta. Obviously. You scored from 58 out or more multiple times. Nothing's wrong with that. The point is that one game against ND does not suggest you're capable of scoring in the same way against a strong defensive team, because face it, ND is not a strong defensive team. Thats all we're pointing out. The results are inconsequential because they are not testing the issue at hand.
 
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Well campies if you are counting the Michigan game as one that showed OSU against a good defense, then you have to give credit for the game winner, scored by Pittman - from short yardage.

I'd also like to submit exhibit B - Iowa, which was purportedly sporting better or equal LB talent according to some pre-season prognosticators, and got royally slammed.
 
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I see your points, and I would definately agree with the game winning drive and TD by Pittman at UM. However, you didnt' score much more in that game than you did in ours, so, same kind of issue going on.

As far as Iowa, yes, they had what looked to be the only LB corp that would rivals yall's in the nation, not to mention what appeared to be a pretty exceptional team heading in. However, just as they took the waxing from you guys, the suffered several other beatings from teams they were expected to beat, and had what could be considered a disappointing season. Hard to tell where their problems started and stopped in relation to their players, coaches, etc, but one thing for sure is that they weren't nearly as good as advertised.
 
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Southern Speed

I know this is a little off topic, but something to consider when thinking about the southern speed "myth." In the Div. I track championships, the 9 fastest teams (according to previous times, as they have not raced yet) are as listed: Texas, UTEP, aggy, TCU, Houston, Tenn., Oregon, LSU, and Baylor, in no particular order. (6 teams from Texas)
Just trying to rattle the cage a little here. :)
By the way, these are the 4x100 men's relay teams

http://www.flashresults.com/2006_Meets/outdoor/ncaa1/
 
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campies said:
Just because you have a phenomenal scoring percentage against a shitty defense (e.g. ND, Illinois, Minn), when most are on big plays (as big plays are more possible the shittier the defense) doesn't mean its stupid to say unless you're better at converting sustained drives and red zone opportunities, your offensive success is going to take a hit against a better defensive team. The proof is in the pudding against the best defensive teams you played all year, in Texas, PSU, and even Michigan. I guess you've improved since then, but we'll see...
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That's not what he was saying originally...he was saying if you can't score from the red zone you can't score from anywhere else on the field.

Of course it's harder to score against a better defense, regardless of where you start your drives...that's just plain common sense.
 
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