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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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MililaniBuckeye said:
Not so sure about that. Remember when Florida lost at Florida State 24-21 in the final regular season game of 1999 only to turn around and pound them 52-20 in the national title game five weeks later. If the powers-that-be allowed a five-week-old rematch, I'm sure a four-month-old rematch would be no problem.
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Crap. I thought that was 1996. After 1999, Florida State beat Virginia Tech to win the national championship.
 
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Zurp said:
Crap. I thought that was 1996. After 1999, Florida State beat Virginia Tech to win the national championship.
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You're correct. The Florida-FSU rematch was after the 1996 season, the same year that tOSU beat then #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl.

That was in the Bowl Coalition days, before the Rose Bowl joined in and it became the BCS, which started in 1998. If the BCS were in place that year, Florida State presumably would have played Arizona State in a matchup of the two unbeatens, rather than a rematch with Florida.

Here is the AP poll before the bowls were played:

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</TD><TD></TD><TD align=right>1,670

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</TD><TD></TD><TD>Arizona State (5)

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</TD><TD></TD><TD align=right>1,612

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</TD><TD></TD><TD>Ohio State

</TD><TD></TD><TD align=right>10-1

</TD><TD></TD><TD align=right>1,454

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DaddyBigBucks said:
OK, I get it...

I wasn't thinking about the UofF FSU rematch after "The Choke at Doke". I was thinking about the way CAL was dropped like a hot potato when it came BCS time a couple of years back.

Based on the precedent cited, it seems doubtful they would pull the same thing w.r.t. the NC game.

Hmmmm, suddenly I'm craving waffles.
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Dont get me started on those granola eating bitches at cal
 
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BB73 said:
You're correct. The Florida-FSU rematch was after the 1996 season, the same year that tOSU beat then #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl.

That was in the Bowl Coalition days, before the Rose Bowl joined in and it became the BCS, which started in 1998. If the BCS were in place that year, Florida State presumably would have played Arizona State in a matchup of the two unbeatens, rather than a rematch with Florida.
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Not to split hairs, but that was the "Bowl Alliance"
 
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High Lonesome said:
my point is that i don't know who wouldn't want to see it
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me for one. you get one shot at somebody. if we can't beat texas in austin we don't deserve a shot at the nc. should texas have had to play us again last year at a neutral site to "prove" they were worthy of the nc?

what would you have thought if tOSU had beaten penn state and usc dropped a game leading to a tOSU vrs texas rematch in which tOSU won? would you have completely supported the notion that tOSU was the undisputed nc? personally i find the thought of a rematch for the nc absurd and am completely against it. even if it were for the benefit of my team.

woulda coulda shoulda have no place in this sport.
 
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martinss01 said:
what would you have thought if tOSU had beaten penn state and usc dropped a game leading to a tOSU vrs texas rematch in which tOSU won? would you have completely supported the notion that tOSU was the undisputed nc? personally i find the thought of a rematch for the nc absurd and am completely against it. even if it were for the benefit of my team.
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I'd prefer to not see rematches, as well, usually. Of course, after last year's loss to Texas, I was hoping for a rematch in the Rose Bowl. However, let's say Ohio State wins all of their games, Texas loses just the one game to Ohio State, and they finish 1 and 2. I think that Ohio State had better show up to play that game, because "we already beat them once" is no excuse to whine about a loss. If you're the national champions, you have to be national champions in every game that you play, regardless of how many times you've beaten today's opponent.
 
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martinss01 said:
me for one. you get one shot at somebody. if we can't beat texas in austin we don't deserve a shot at the nc. should texas have had to play us again last year at a neutral site to "prove" they were worthy of the nc?

what would you have thought if tOSU had beaten penn state and usc dropped a game leading to a tOSU vrs texas rematch in which tOSU won? would you have completely supported the notion that tOSU was the undisputed nc? personally i find the thought of a rematch for the nc absurd and am completely against it. even if it were for the benefit of my team.

woulda coulda shoulda have no place in this sport.
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I tend to agree. I think rematches should be avoided if at all possible.
 
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martinss01 said:
me for one. you get one shot at somebody. if we can't beat texas in austin we don't deserve a shot at the nc. should texas have had to play us again last year at a neutral site to "prove" they were worthy of the nc?
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So, the NFL should do away with having division members play each other twice in a season?

The national title game should pit the two best college football teams against each other, regardless if they had already played each other that season. You sit there and tell me that had we won at Penn State and USC lost that game at Notre Dame you would say we didn't deserve another crack at Texas in the title game. Had we gone undefeated last year and Texas was the only one-loss team left (or even the highest ranked one-loss team), I would've had no problems at all with having to play them again for the national title.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So, the NFL should do away with having division members play each other twice in a season?

The national title game should pit the two best college football teams against each other, regardless if they had already played each other that season. You sit there and tell me that had we won at Penn State and USC lost that game at Notre Dame you would say we didn't deserve another crack at Texas in the title game. Had we gone undefeated last year and Texas was the only one-loss team left (or even the highest ranked one-loss team), I would've had no problems at all with having to play them again for the national title.
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1. I don't agree that the NFL should be brought in to support your case. The NFL is different. Maybe it's only different in my mind simply because they have re-matches every year (and sometimes re-re-matches). College, on the other hand, rarely ever has re-matches. But maybe it's different because in the NFL, the teams are so much more equal. In any given game, crappy San Fransisco has a shot at the Super Bowl champion Steelers. Is there much chance that Kent State would beat Texas?

2. I agree that the best two teams play for the national championship, regardless of whether they've already played. As I stated earlier, "we already beat them once" is only going to sound like whining after you lose. If Ohio State ended #2 at 10-1, with Texas at 12-0 going into the Rose Bowl, how can you punish Ohio State by making them go to another bowl simply because Texas already beat them? Basically, that argument is stating that as long as Texas wins out, there is no chance Ohio State has a shot at the National Championship, even if all of the other teams in the country finish with 3+ losses.

I think re-matches should be avoided in the crap-shoes bowl games, if possible. Why should we watch Northern Illinois play Toledo in the Motor City Bowl, if Northern Illinois already beat them once? But if those teams finish #1 and #2 in the BCS, then hell yes they belong in the national championship game, even if Northern Illinois beat Toledo five times before that game.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So, the NFL should do away with having division members play each other twice in a season?
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but this isn't the nfl. there is no playoff system. there are no wildcard teams. there are a lot more teams and very few play eachother. if the situation in college football better resembled the nfl, my opinion would likely be different.

You sit there and tell me that had we won at Penn State and USC lost that game at Notre Dame you would say we didn't deserve another crack at Texas in the title game.
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thats exactly what im saying. even with the ts situation, we would not have deserved another shot at texas. would i have felt we were more deserving than the team who played them? extremely likely. i wasn't far from that feeling with the way last season ended as it was. would i have been happy that tOSU would have had a shot at the nc? your damn right i would have been! but i still would have felt it was wrong to ask texas to beat us twice to prove that they were deserving of the nc. *shrug* in no way do i deny that i am partial and to some degree, hypocritical when it comes to my team. but there is a big difference between what is right, and what i want.

Had we gone undefeated last year and Texas was the only one-loss team left (or even the highest ranked one-loss team), I would've had no problems at all with having to play them again for the national title.
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lets say we beat texas in texas this year. we win 27 - 20. texas wins out and ends up ranked #2. they then beat us 24 - 17. who is the nc?
 
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martinss01 said:
but this isn't the nfl. there is no playoff system. there are no wildcard teams. there are a lot more teams and very few play eachother. if the situation in college football better resembled the nfl, my opinion would likely be different.
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Irrelevent. A rematch is a rematch, regardless of level. Using the thought process of you and some others, once a team beats another they should not have to play each other again during the season. Well, tell me that the Ohio State team that played on Sep 10th, 2005 was the same Ohio State team that played on Jan 2nd, 2006. Same with Texas. Neither were the same teams in January that they were in September, especially Ohio State.

Even if you choose not to consider the improvements of teams over the course of a season, you have to admit we played Texas as even as the score indicates. What other team was able to shut down Texas over a 40-minute span to the tune of 168 yards and six points on nine drives? So, to imply that we would not have deserved a rematch with them in the title game had we been the BCS #2 team, just because we had already lost to them earlier in the season, is ridiculous.

Whether or not two teams have already played each other during the season should not be a factor at all when determining who should play in the national title game.

martinss01 said:
lets say we beat texas in texas this year. we win 27 - 20. texas wins out and ends up ranked #2. they then beat us 24 - 17. who is the nc?
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Texas is, because they won the national title game.
 
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If texas loses to tosu in sept and is the highest/only one loss team at the ed of the year, then your damn right i would think there should be a rematch. teams grow over the course of the year. it happend to vy two years ago and presumably ts last year. i would never shy away from a rematch if it was clearly the two best teams. the fact that they met earlier should meen nothing to either team as i would hope that it was clear to all which game mattered...thats why they have a national championship game, to see who is better that day
 
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