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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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campies said:
2) Linebackers
Texas- Jr Robert Killebrew (6'2 230), Jr Drew Kelson (6'2 215), So Rashad Bobino (5'11 230), RS Fr Roddrick Muckelroy (6'2 230) -(8.5)
Ohio State- Sr John Kerr (6'1 245), Jr Marcus Freeman (6'2 230), So James Laurinaitis (6'3 231), ???? (7.5-8)
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First, you list four LBs to our three. I'll toss in Mike D'Andrea (6'3", 250, 4.45) as our "fourth". Next, keep in mind that the only reason why our four didn't see the field more last year was the fact they were playing behind three LBs who will be playing on Sundays this fall, including one sure-fire (Hawk), and very possibly a second (Carpenter), first-round pick. Let me address each LB individually:
  • Kerr: Was the leading freshman tackler in the Big Ten at Indiana in 2002 before transferring to OSU. Bleeds Scarlet and Grey so much he gave up his scholarship at Indiana to pay his way at OSU (intra-conference transferees cannot accept a scholarship at their new school, per Big Ten rules)
  • Freeman: Was so good before the start of last season that the staff was going to change the defensive scheme to get him on the field with the other LBs...essentially putting him at the same level as Hawk and Carpenter. Unfortunately he got hurt and missed last season.
  • Laurinaitis: Minnesota Defensive Mr. Football in high school, and was thrown into the fire against Michigan due to Carpenter's injury...played against both Michigan and Notre Dame and more than held his own.
  • D'Andrea: The consensus #1 high school LB in the entire country and a true athletic freak. Injuries have kept him from playing a full season any year.
Many folks misinterpret our replacing our LB corps as plugging in "newbies". Kerr and D'Andrea are 5th year seniors and Freeman is a redshirt junior. These three would've started for any other team in the conference last year had they been healthy. And Laurinaitis' PT against Michigan and Notre Dame will prove invaluable.

Sorry, but although we are replacing our entire LB corps, I still think we have they edge here...
 
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Laurinaitis: Minnesota Defensive Mr. Football in high school, and was thrown into the fire against Michigan due to Carpenter's injury...played against both Michigan and Notre Dame and more than held his own.
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and that doesnt even inlcude what he can do on skates, a lot of people felt he could have been a second rounder in hockey in the post sept 15 86 hockey entry draft...
 
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xrayrandy said:
The stat guy has arrived.

tOSUs returning runningbacks had 1804 yards and 10 TDs last year
UTs had 2591 yards and 42 TDs.
10 does not equal 42. UTs RBs are better and have proven it on the field.

tOSUs returning receivers had 1595 yards and 7 TDs
UTs had 2165 yards and 21 TDs.
7 does not equal 21. UTs receivers are better and have proven it on the field.

Ted Ginn 25 punt returns for 250 yards, 10 yard/return average.
Aaron Ross 34 punt returns for 500 yards, 14.9 yard per return average.
Ted Ginn was not a better punt returner than Ross last year.
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Texas Tech also had the #1 ranked passing offense in the nation last year... Does that mean that they have the best quarterback and recievers in the nation also?
 
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The only reason texas had so many rushing tds last year was because they play teams like Rice and baylor. They better put that many tds on the bored. And xrayrandy is annoying im going to keep saying that whenever i post on this topic.
 
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According to the NCAA there were 34 punt returners better than Ginn last year. Ross was only one of them.


Rank Player Pos Cl Gm Puntret Yds TDs Ydsret Retpgm
1 Maurice Drew, UCLA RB JR 12 15 427 3 28.47 1.25
2 Quinton Jones, Boise St. DB JR 13 22 459 3 20.86 1.69
3 Terrence Nunn, Nebraska WR SO 12 16 293 0 18.31 1.33
4 Willie Reid, Florida St. WR SR 10 31 541 3 17.45 3.10
5 Rafael Little, Kentucky RB SO 11 21 355 0 16.90 1.91
6 Joe Burnett, UCF DB FR 13 28 463 2 16.54 2.15
7 Terry Richardson, Arizona St. WR JR 11 22 337 2 15.32 2.00
8 Cory Rodgers, TCU WR JR 12 19 290 0 15.26 1.58
9 Tim Mixon, California DB JR 12 24 357 1 14.88 2.00
10 Aaron Ross, Texas DB JR 13 34 500 2 14.71 2.62
11 Brandon Williams, Wisconsin WR SR 13 26 380 2 14.62 2.00
12 Devin Hester, Miami (Fla.) WR JR 10 22 312 1 14.18 2.20
13 Tom Zbikowski, Notre Dame DB JR 12 27 379 2 14.04 2.25
14 Thomas Flowers, Georgia DB SO 13 32 438 1 13.69 2.46
15 Skyler Green, LSU WR SR 13 27 359 1 13.30 2.08
16 Leodis McKelvin, Troy DB SO 11 33 417 1 12.64 3.00
17 Adam Jennings, Fresno St. DB SR 12 22 272 0 12.36 1.83
18 Steve Breaston, Michigan WR SR 11 29 356 0 12.28 2.64
19 Ryne Robinson, Miami (Ohio) WR JR 11 26 301 1 11.58 2.36
20 Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh DB SO 11 28 324 1 11.57 2.55
21 Jackie Chambers, South Fla. WR SO 12 32 370 0 11.56 2.67
22 Justin Phinisee, Oregon DB SR 12 25 289 1 11.56 2.08
23 B.J. Hill, Ball St. RB FR 11 18 200 1 11.11 1.64
24 Syndric Steptoe, Arizona WR JR 10 20 221 1 11.05 2.00
25 Willie Foster, Rutgers WR JR 12 15 164 1 10.93 1.25
26 Charles Sharon, Bowling Green WR SR 11 25 271 0 10.84 2.27
27 James Johnson, Arkansas St. DB SR 12 36 385 1 10.69 3.00
28 Jermaine Moreira, Kansas St. WR JR 10 19 202 1 10.63 1.90
29 Calvin Lowry, Penn St. DB SR 12 32 340 0 10.63 2.67
30 Cortney Grixby, Nebraska DB SO 12 32 333 0 10.41 2.67
31 Montrell Jones, Louisville WR SR 12 30 311 0 10.37 2.50
32 Peyton Hillis, Arkansas RB SO 11 16 165 0 10.31 1.45
33 Willie Andrews, Baylor DB SR 11 27 274 0 10.15 2.45
34 Israel Route, Tulane DB JR 10 18 181 0 10.06 1.80
35 Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio St. WR SO 12 25 250 1 10.00 2.08
 
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I know this is ment as a joke, and I do find it funny, however in xrays/any logical horn fan's defense, we have never said that we had a better qb situation than you
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Thanks. There is no way for Texas to be compared to tOSU with regard to quarterback, given the lack of data. This is the one area where Ohio State has the advantage.
 
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xrayrandy said:
Thanks. There is no way for Texas to be compared to tOSU with regard to quarterback, given the lack of data. This is the one area where Ohio State has the advantage.
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Of course. Texas has superior running backs, wide recievers, tight ends, offensive lines, defensive lines, linebackers, safeties, and cornerbacks than OSU.

Guess we should cancel the trip down and safe us the time right?
 
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Once again, I guess that Texas Tech has the best quarterback and wide recievers every year.
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If you say so, although I don't agree. It is one thing for a team that averages nearly 400 yards passing to have better passing stats then you, it is something else entirely when a team that averages 300 yards a game rushing has better passing stats then you.
 
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xrayrandy said:
If you say so, although I don't agree. It is one thing for a team that averages nearly 400 yards passing to have better passing stats then you, it is something else entirely when a team that averages 300 yards a game rushing has better passing stats then you.
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How do you expect anyone to take what you say with any seriousness at all when you say that Texas has an edge at every single position over OSU except QB.
 
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Nice to see this picking up a bit. As far as the punt returners go, Ted Ginn is obviously the more talented punt returner. For whatever reason though, he was most-definitely, unequivocally, less-productive last year than other guys around the country. Would I still put him in the top 3 catagory of punt returners this year? Based on his ability, and the PRODUCTION he showed his freshman year, absolutely. However, if you put any stock in those stats that reflected his greatness as a freshman, you also have to acknowledge that the lack there of that takes a bit away from his greatness, currently as it may be. It doesn't indicate necessarily that he has regressed, but is simply more of a Power Ranking about how effective he's been lately, and thats not something thats totally arbitrary.

The analogy to Texas Tech's offense is a little bit weak, in that the offense as a unit, is just that: a unit. No one single part can be seperated from the whole and be asked to represent the whole. It doesn't make sense to see a powerful offense, see their high passing avgs, and then concluded, they've got the best passers and catchers in the game. There's more to it than that. Punt returning is one of the more individualized aspects of the game as far as critiquing, much more specialized and dependent upon 1 guy (the return man) having success to give the unit success as a whole. Even a bad return blocking setup can be overcome by a phenomenal return man, and its pretty easy to attribute where that success came from if it is overcome.

For whatever reason, Ted Ginn was not as effective last year as he was the year before, and hence not as "productive" as a return man than others around the country. There's no denying this. However, with that said, because of the player he is, if you were a coach, you'd be stupid to kick to him in a game expecting him to be anything less than the best return man in the country because he has that kind of ability.
 
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