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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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EngineerHorn said:
I don't recall many 2-QB systems. Spurrier used to do it a whole bunch, even if was just pulling the starter for a series because Spurrier is an impatient asshole.

Ainge and Schaeffer at Tennessee 2 years ago? Vols were doing well until both of them got hurt.

After the Arkansas loss for us 3 years ago, Chance Mock and VY split time all the way up to mid November. We went 9-2 after that point.

So basically, there are a few damn good teams who've done it, but no champions. Guess we'll be the first to do it then.:)



I'll play the matchup game. I'll even give some ratings (1-10) to make it look like I'm being objective and I know what I'm talking about.
QB- tOSU. no explanation needed. OSU-9.5 UT-7
RB- UT. But not by much. UT 9.5 OSU 9
WR's- even. We don't have anyone as dynamic as Ginn, but we go 5-6 deep, all of whom have plenty of experience. UT 9 OSU 9
Line- Everyone except Mangold is coming back for OSU, right? OSU is solid, but UT's is still slightly better. UT 9.5 OSU 8.5

Defense is gonna be hard. I don't know anything about who might start on defense for OSU, and I don't think many of you do either. So I'm not going to even try. How many of those 4 4-star true freshmen linebackers are expected to break the 2-deep? 3? Y'all look very deep at DB based on sheer numbers, but not so much at DE. I'd give the edge to UT for every unit until we see what all those backups and underclassmen do on the field for tOSU.
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We return Pitcock and Patterson on the defensive line at DT. Barrow, Gholston, Wilson, and Richardson are all battling for the two defensive end spots(Richardson is a senior with starting experience, and Wilson started the Notre Dame game last year. Gholston is a physical freak who wouldve gotten serious PT last year, but got injured. Barrow was very impressive at the Spring Scrimmage.

As of right now I think this is our defensive line:
DE-Richardson
DT-Pitcock
DT-Patterson
DE-Wilson

Although we lack experience at linebacker, we have amazing depth and possibly more speed this year. Right now Kerr is the 1st string MLB, and he lead the Big 10 in tackles as a freshman at Indiana. Laurinaitis played the entire Michigan and Notre Dame games, but he'll have to battle Larry Grant, whom was the JUCO defensive player of the year last year. The other spot and probably the only lock at the linebacker position will be Marcus Freeman, Carpenter started seeing time at DE just to get this kid on the field, but he got hurt and missed all of last year.

My guess right now would be:
OLB-Laurinaitis
MLB-Kerr
OLB-Freeman

My guess for the secondary is:
CB-Jenkins
CB-Smith
FS-Mitchell
SS-O'Neal
NB-Russell
 
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Sorry, didn't finish my post, just got it deleted after I realized I didn't want to do a full breakdown when I dont really have the depth chart of tOSU handy. however, nonetheless, I think we can just go unit by unit regardless, maybe highlighting a couple of studs at those spots. Numerical ratings for the units will assist in the comparison.

Both Teams
1) QBs
Texas - Rs FRColt McCoy (6'3 195), Fr Jevan Snead (6'3 215) -(6.5-7) - Initially, may improve significantly as season goes
Ohio St- Sr Troy Smith (6'1 215), Sr Justin Zwick (6'4 225) -(9-9.5)

Advantage- Ohio St - BIG

2) O-Line
Texas- Sr RT Justin Blalock (6'4 330), Sr RG Kasey Studdard (6'4 305), Sr C Lyle Sendlein (6'5 305), Jr LT Tony Hills (6'6 295), RS So Cedric Dockery (6'4 315)/RS Fr Charlie Tanner (6'4 285) - (10.0)
Ohio State- Not really sure but believe majority of starters return - (9.0)

Advantage- Texas

3) Runningbacks
Texas- So Jamaal Charles (6'1 195), Sr Selvin Young (6'0 210), So Henry Melton (6'3 265), Jr Ramonce Taylor (6'0 195) - (9-9.5)
Ohio St- So Antonio Pittman (5'11 195), Fr Chris Wells (6'1 230) -(9.0)

Advantage- Even

4) Wide Recievers
Texas- Jr Limas Sweed (6'5 215), Jr Billy Pittman (6'0 198), So Quan Cosby (5'11 200), Rs So Jordan Shipley (6'0 185), RS Fr TE Jermichael Finley (6'5 240) - (9.0)
Ohio State- Jr Ted Ginn, Jr (6'0 175), Jr Anthony Gonzo (6'0 195), bunch of underclassmen i dont know anything about -(9.0)

Advantage- Even

Defense
1) D-Line
Texas- Jr Frank Okam (6'5 315), Jr Derek Lokey (6'2 280), So Roy Miller (6'2 300), Fr Ben Alexander (6'0 298), Sr DE Brian Robison (6'3 265), Sr DE Tim Crowder (6'4 255)- (9.0)
2) Ohio State- Sr Quinn Pitcock (6'3 295), Sr David Patterson (6'3 285), So DE Alex Barrow (6'4 255)? -(8.0)

Advantage - Texas

2) Linebackers
Texas- Jr Robert Killebrew (6'2 230), Jr Drew Kelson (6'2 215), So Rashad Bobino (5'11 230), RS Fr Roddrick Muckelroy (6'2 230) -(8.5)
Ohio State- Sr John Kerr (6'1 245), Jr Marcus Freeman (6'2 230), So James Laurinaitis (6'3 231), ???? (7.5-8)

Advantage-Texas

3) Secondary
Texas- Sr FS Michael Griffin (6'0 205), Sr CB Tarrell Brown (6'0 200), Sr CB Aaron Ross (6'1 192), Jr SS Marcus Griffin (6'0 195), Jr CB Brandon Foster (5'9 180) - (9-9.5)
Ohio State- So CB Jamario O'Neal (6'1 180), So CB Malcom Jenkins (6'1 180), Sr SS Brandon Mitchell (6'3 205), Sr S Antonio Smtih (5'9 195), ???? - (7.5-8)

Advantage- Texas

Special Teams
Texas - PR Aaron Ross (9.0)
Ohio State- PR Ted Ginn (10.0)

Advantage - Ohio State

Ok, thats that. Took longer than I thought, but now maybe someone can help me with the rest of tOSU's starters, as well as some key backups, and that way, we can better break down unit vs unit.
 
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EngineerHorn said:
I'll play the matchup game. I'll even give some ratings (1-10) to make it look like I'm being objective and I know what I'm talking about.
QB- tOSU. no explanation needed. OSU-9.5 UT-7
RB- UT. But not by much. UT 9.5 OSU 9
WR's- even. We don't have anyone as dynamic as Ginn, but we go 5-6 deep, all of whom have plenty of experience. UT 9 OSU 9
Line- Everyone except Mangold is coming back for OSU, right? OSU is solid, but UT's is still slightly better. UT 9.5 OSU 8.5
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I wont even pretend to be unbiased. :)
I'll agree on QB.

I'll mostly agree on RB, too, but expound a bit. I'd rank the returning main players as:
1. Charles
2. Pittman
3. Young
4. Mo Wells
with Charles and Pittman having a pretty definite edge over the other two. Chris Wells, I think, will be the wildcard here. If he is as good as everyone here hopes, he could jump in there into third on my list. Without Chris Wells, I give Texas a 9.5 and OSU an 8.5. If Beanie is as good as we hope, I'd say Texas 9.5 and OSU 10.

On WR, I'd give OSU a very, very slight edge. Both teams have tons of depth and potential, so it's very hard to know exactly who is going to be the best come September. If I had to rank, I'd say:
1. Ginn
2. Pittman
3. Gonzo
4. Sweed - I'd almost put him ahead of Gonzo just based on his damned size. Oh, why couldn't he have been 3 inches shorter last September? :biggrin:
After that, it is just so hard to know who will be the third receiver. Shipley, Cosby, Taylor? Hall, Robiskie? Who the hell knows? I'd say OSU 9.5, Texas 9.

O-line, I think it's to early to know for OSU's line. Based on what I've read here, 9-9.5 seems pretty accurate for UT. OSU, in addition to Mangold, also lost Rob Sims, a four-year starter. Like WR, lots of potential, but hard to know who is going to step and how everyone will perform. Right now, I'd say 7.5-8 would be closer than 8.5, but it's WAAAAAY too early and it could be a 9-9.5 by the beginning of the season. So....UT 9, OSU 7.5.

Is it September yet?
 
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EngineerHorn said:
I don't recall many 2-QB systems. Spurrier used to do it a whole bunch, even if was just pulling the starter for a series because Spurrier is an impatient asshole.

Ainge and Schaeffer at Tennessee 2 years ago? Vols were doing well until both of them got hurt.

After the Arkansas loss for us 3 years ago, Chance Mock and VY split time all the way up to mid November. We went 9-2 after that point.

So basically, there are a few damn good teams who've done it, but no champions. Guess we'll be the first to do it then.:)



I'll play the matchup game. I'll even give some ratings (1-10) to make it look like I'm being objective and I know what I'm talking about.
QB- tOSU. no explanation needed. OSU-9.5 UT-7
RB- UT. But not by much. UT 9.5 OSU 9
WR's- even. We don't have anyone as dynamic as Ginn, but we go 5-6 deep, all of whom have plenty of experience. UT 9 OSU 9
Line- Everyone except Mangold is coming back for OSU, right? OSU is solid, but UT's is still slightly better. UT 9.5 OSU 8.5

Defense is gonna be hard. I don't know anything about who might start on defense for OSU, and I don't think many of you do either. So I'm not going to even try. How many of those 4 4-star true freshmen linebackers are expected to break the 2-deep? 3? Y'all look very deep at DB based on sheer numbers, but not so much at DE. I'd give the edge to UT for every unit until we see what all those backups and underclassmen do on the field for tOSU.
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I'd have to question the part where you give OSU the 9.5 to 7 advantage in qb's, but rank us low defensively because we have talent but no experience. If that's the case what are you basing your QB ranking on? As OSU fans know, I good defense doesn't make up for an inexperience QB.
 
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Great2BABuckI said:
I'd have to question the part where you give OSU the 9.5 to 7 advantage in qb's, but rank us low defensively because we have talent but no experience. If that's the case what are you basing your QB ranking on? As OSU fans know, I good defense doesn't make up for an inexperience QB.
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Do you even know what you're asking here? First, he said it is tough to rank your defense (and it is) given the lack of information about who will play. That uncertainty means that it could be an average-to-high ranking or an average-to-below average ranking, ultimately. However, you say he ranked you low, but in fact he gave no ranking at all, though if he did, I'd bet EH would rank the your D similar to what he rated our QB's, i.e. talented but limited experience, hence about a 7. 7 is not that bad, but 9.5 is much higher, hence the 7 appears much "lower." What else are you looking for?
 
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Campies, don't you see Orakpo getting many reps at DE this year? He wasn't listed among the DL's in your post, but we've heard he had a good showing in the spring game.
 
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Great2BABuckI said:
I'd have to question the part where you give OSU the 9.5 to 7 advantage in qb's, but rank us low defensively because we have talent but no experience. If that's the case what are you basing your QB ranking on? As OSU fans know, I good defense doesn't make up for an inexperience QB.
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yeah, what campies said.

If it makes you feel better, I'd give all the defensive units a very arbitrary starting point of 7.5, based on the fact that

a) I usually have no idea what I'm talking about
b) tOSU usually has a pretty good defense, but has to replace 9 starters
c) tOSU usually recruits well, which my cursory look at Rivals has confirmed
d) I don't follow tOSU recruiting
 
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The stat guy has arrived.

tOSUs returning runningbacks had 1804 yards and 10 TDs last year
UTs had 2591 yards and 42 TDs.
10 does not equal 42. UTs RBs are better and have proven it on the field.

tOSUs returning receivers had 1595 yards and 7 TDs
UTs had 2165 yards and 21 TDs.
7 does not equal 21. UTs receivers are better and have proven it on the field.

Ted Ginn 25 punt returns for 250 yards, 10 yard/return average.
Aaron Ross 34 punt returns for 500 yards, 14.9 yard per return average.
Ted Ginn was not a better punt returner than Ross last year.
 
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EngineerHorn said:
oh shit. x-ray just lit the fuse.
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and boom goes the dynamite

dynamite.jpg
 
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xrayrandy said:
The stat guy has arrived.

tOSUs returning runningbacks had 1804 yards and 10 TDs last year
UTs had 2591 yards and 42 TDs.
10 does not equal 42. UTs RBs are better and have proven it on the field.

tOSUs returning receivers had 1595 yards and 7 TDs
UTs had 2165 yards and 21 TDs.
7 does not equal 21. UTs receivers are better and have proven it on the field.

Ted Ginn 25 punt returns for 250 yards, 10 yard/return average.
Aaron Ross 34 punt returns for 500 yards, 14.9 yard per return average.
Ted Ginn was not a better punt returner than Ross last year.
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Remember these three words: Stats mean shit.

If you really think that Ross is a better PR than Ginn, based on those stats alone, then I have a Hawaii-to-California bridge to sell you...
 
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