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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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campies said:
Ok, ok, so he's not the "best" running back in the nation right now, just the most talented. So there. That's the claim. Jamaal Charles is the most talented running back in the country.

Anyone want to take a shot at that one?
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campies- you really should probably leave it at, " Jamaal Charles is my favorite running back in the nation"

there are just too many others that have done more for longer and really other than being a horn i don't know why you refuse to aknowledge Peterson, the kid was a Heisman candidate as a freshman
 
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I love Peterson, man. In fact, I would say he is unequivocally the BEST running back in the nation. Bar none. However, as ahead of the game as he is, when you look at JC's talents, I still think you could easily make a case for him having the most TALENT of any of the backs around the country. Whether that ultimately materializes into yards and touchdowns at a level that could be considered dominant, either this season or next, that remains to be seen. But hey, without predictions/speculation in the world, we wouldn't be having any of these discussions at all.
 
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To be honest, off the top of my head I don't know who the candidates would be for most talented RB in the country next year, but I'll grant that Charles has a very good combination of moves, vision, speed, and tackle-breaking ability. I also think Antonio Pittman has a similar game to Charles, even down to similar frames. I'm not making the argument that Pitt is the "most talented"; only suggesting that it's an open argument for now. It's always going to be that chicken or the egg thing with Texas' OL.

I'm hoping by the end of the game in September, we'll be discussing whether Chris Wells is going to have a comparable freshman season to the one that Adrian Peterson had!:cool: Everything is looking rosy in spring!
 
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HabaneroBuck said:
To be honest, off the top of my head I don't know who the candidates would be for most talented RB in the country next year, but I'll grant that Charles has a very good combination of moves, vision, speed, and tackle-breaking ability. I also think Antonio Pittman has a similar game to Charles, even down to similar frames. I'm not making the argument that Pitt is the "most talented"; only suggesting that it's an open argument for now. It's always going to be that chicken or the egg thing with Texas' OL.

I'm hoping by the end of the game in September, we'll be discussing whether Chris Wells is going to have a comparable freshman season to the one that Adrian Peterson had!:cool: Everything is looking rosy in spring!
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Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch are two names off of the top of my head that are superior to Charles at this moment. Lynch isnt a well known back but if you have seen him play you would know that this kid is amazing...By no means whatsoever am I a Cal fan, but wow.
 
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campies said:
I love Peterson, man. In fact, I would say he is unequivocally the BEST running back in the nation. Bar none. However, as ahead of the game as he is, when you look at JC's talents, I still think you could easily make a case for him having the most TALENT of any of the backs around the country. Whether that ultimately materializes into yards and touchdowns at a level that could be considered dominant, either this season or next, that remains to be seen. But hey, without predictions/speculation in the world, we wouldn't be having any of these discussions at all.
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Most talent but Peterson is "unequivocally" the best? what the fuck? dude stop. Just because my favorite back is Pittman or Wells or Mike Nugent dosent mean he's the most talented. I believe being the most talented, in this case, directly corresponds to the best backs in the antion. JC is up there, no doubt but he is netiher the most talented or best by any strecth of my imagination, not yet at least. IMO.
 
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barlow1802 said:
Most talent but Peterson is "unequivocally" the best? what the fuck? dude stop. Just because my favorite back is Pittman or Wells or Mike Nugent dosent mean he's the most talented. I believe being the most talented, in this case, directly corresponds to the best backs in the antion. JC is up there, no doubt but he is netiher the most talented or best by any strecth of my imagination, not yet at least. IMO.
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I dont understand where your hang-up is. "Unequivocal," as in at the present time, no doubt or uncertainty regarding who has the best ratio of talent to production- i.e. BEST. Thats Peterson. Best talent regardless of production, as in focusing on talent instead of production too (which of course is an indicator of talent so it does reflect true ability) as a means to gauge POTENTIAL? Thats how you judge talent, that may or may not be entirely reflected by performance. Case in point: as I said before, 2004 Reggie Bush was probably the most talented running back/football player in the country, but he certainly didn't produce like he was the best or most valuable. 2005 obviously showed his true colors, in that he fulfilled more of his natural potential, despite the extra work or improvements he made from 1 year to the other. Yes you get bigger, stronger, a little quicker, and hopefully smarter, but you've got the player inside of you from the get-go, and you cant really take it out or put it in you. Thats what I'm talking about.

Why do you think scouts evaluate players out of high school? Other than analyzing whether a player may play multiple positions in college, physical evaluation at one position in terms of respective talent for the particular position, is important in determining how "good" a player is, or if he can become the "best" at what he does. Sometimes, a guy with no real stats, or suspect measurables goes on to be quite the baller at the next level. Sometimes not. Basically, stats are important, but they're not everything, and conversely, measurables are huge, but they can't carry a player who has no player inside. Otherwise, they'd just find the player that racked up the most yards and TDs, or the guy that ran the fastest 40 and claim them winner as best overall. But they dont do that, do they. You mean, some players may not perform to the level their ultimate talent dictates at a given moment in time, and hence potential and other surrounding factors must be accounted for as a means of evaluation? Yeah, I think we'd all agree thats how it goes. There is a fine balance that makes a great football player. Sometimes its not always seen with the numbers or the stop watch, but its always seen with the naked eye. JC has a little bit of all of that, but he definately passes the eye test.
 
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Bush and Peterson both have more pure talent at RB, imo, and I think Charles is developing into the next great Texas RB. I don't care that Peterson is well known, and Charles is not. Who is to say those AD will not improve even more?

You referenced scouts... Peterson was the #1 prospect, regardless of position, coming out of HS. I realize rankings only mean so much, but I'm gonna have to see more before I pronounce JC more talented than a freak of nature like Peterson.
 
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jwinslow said:
Bush and Peterson both have more pure talent at RB, imo, and I think Charles is developing into the next great Texas RB. I don't care that Peterson is well known, and Charles is not. Who is to say those AD will not improve even more?

You referenced scouts... Peterson was the #1 prospect, regardless of position, coming out of HS. I realize rankings only mean so much, but I'm gonna have to see more before I pronounce JC more talented than a freak of nature like Peterson.
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I also think that Charles' stats and production will be assisted more by his offensive line this year, than will Peterson. We'll see though, as Charles' production could be limited by having a freshman QB, and other talented RBs sharing the workload.
I am in the camp that Charles is a very special player and an amazing athlete, but Peterson is the better running back right now and probably will be considered such when all is said and done, and he has more "talent" at the RB position.

I think this discussion is actually getting off topic, as this is not the best RB in the nation thread. So question for you guys, can you fill me in what you guys expect to lose by Mangold graduating? More than just a hole on the line? It seems as if I heard that he was a great presence on and off the field. And second question, obviously Ginn is a world of talent, and Gonzalez and Hall are back, but which one is going to be ol' reliable? Holmes seemed like such a bonus WR to have in the fact that he would be at the spot he needed to be and catch the ball, will one of the other WRs step up into this role, or are you all expecting massive improvement from the entire receiving corp. as Troy has more time to work as the one and only option at starting QB? I think that this is where the receiving crew at Texas is going to struggle at first as David Thomas was our ol' reliable, and Pittman was a big gamer, but he is out with an injury for the spring. Hopefully a second year Cosby will lmake huge gains over the spring, as if it wasn't pointed out enough, this is only his second year to play receiver. And Sweed will likely be that guy in the red zone due to his size. But losing Thomas, and having a freshman QB, I will be much more worried on third and seven this year.
 
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texasfight06 said:
And second question, obviously Ginn is a world of talent, and Gonzalez and Hall are back, but which one is going to be ol' reliable?
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My guess would be that both Ginn and Gonzalez will be splitting a vast majority of those catches. Albert Dukes is supposed to be Holmes' clone (supposedly just as good of a route-runner) but we haven't seen him play much save for garbage time here and there. I'd like to think that Ginn will become "the guy" as he has really started to refine his WR skills (a position he didn't play in HS).
 
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