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Game Thread Game Two: #1 Ohio State 24, #2 Texas 7 (9/9/06)

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Kueller said:
I'm not asserting anything just posting statistics, and statistics can be such fun (or lies).
I am wondering whether texas fans are being realistic about how their offense is going to work without a 1000yd rusher at quarterback, they seem to have gotten used to that being a part of their offense, and I doubt it will be next year.

Texas has excellent talent at many positions, but not at fullback, which they say wasn't a large part of their offense last year anyways...will that be the case without a Vince Young taking snaps?
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UT will still line up in the gun a vast majority of the time. In the Rose Bowl, UT ran a grand total of one play that wasn't from the shotgun, and it got stuffed for a 2 yard loss. The base offense was a 3WR, 1TE, 1RB set- and we're not expecting any big changes this year. Maybe a little more I formation, offset I formation or two-TE Ace formation, but not much. So yeah, I doubt the FB will get much more playing time than last year unless something drastic happens.


We have had a 1000 yard back every year since Ricky and i don't see that changing this year.
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Nitpicking here, but it's been since Shon Mitchell in '95. :biggrin:
 
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EngineerHorn said:
UT will still line up in the gun a vast majority of the time. In the Rose Bowl, UT ran a grand total of one play that wasn't from the shotgun, and it got stuffed for a 2 yard loss. The base offense was a 3WR, 1TE, 1RB set- and we're not expecting any big changes this year. Maybe a little more I formation, offset I formation or two-TE Ace formation, but not much. So yeah, I doubt the FB will get much more playing time than last year unless something drastic happens.




Nitpicking here, but it's been since Shon Mitchell in '95. :biggrin:
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Honestly the fullback issue is a non-issue. I really doubt it would make too much of a difference.

Haven't you all been running alot without fb pre-Vince anyway.
 
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UT will still line up in the gun a vast majority of the time. In the Rose Bowl, UT ran a grand total of one play that wasn't from the shotgun, and it got stuffed for a 2 yard loss. The base offense was a 3WR, 1TE, 1RB set- and we're not expecting any big changes this year. Maybe a little more I formation, offset I formation or two-TE Ace formation, but not much. So yeah, I doubt the FB will get much more playing time than last year unless something drastic happens.


I have to say that this wont be the case this year without young. I am going to go out on a limb and say sits a two back shot gun, no qb motion or 1 back undercenter.

Highlight this stuff, I know the truth
 
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I actually agree with him to an extent. mack said that they would not show anything in the spring that we hadn't shown durring the year. I am willing to be that we see much more one back under center stuff this year. there will still be plenty of shotgun though
 
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High Lonesome said:
Well it worked...you have me fired up so here goes.

texas is a rushing team and has been since as long as any of us can remember. Mack Brown has done nothing to change this. We have had a 1000 yard back every year since Ricky and i don't see that changing this year.

to say that Indiana had a better rushing attack than Texas is so beyond ridiculous that I'll just go on to the next point, that they had a better game against tOSU than Texas.
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Just for the record, I never mentioned Indiana, that was someone else. My statistics were from ND.

Glad I could rile you up though, it took a little while to find a position that hadn't been beaten to death, fullback was pretty much all I could think of.

Could one of the Texas fans weigh in on how much you guys ran a FB pre-Vince?
 
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The last season Greg Davis relied heavily on a fullback was Ricky William's senior year. He has said that he plans to stick with the NFL trend of going without a fullback.

In 2002 and 2003 Will Matthews started 4 games total at fullback. I'm not sure if there were even that many FB starts in 2000 and 2001. Will Matthews by the way got half his 52 carries over 2 years on second and short. Davis was real consistent about calling that play but defenses still couldn't stop it.

You should expect to see mostly see 2 TEs when Texas wants an extra blocker against the defensive front, but as has been said a single back with 3 WRs from the shotgun is the standard formation.
 
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As aforementioned, I really expect Texas to run predominantly shotgun, 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR sets as they always have. Show early on that they're not going to completely changed their attack in regards to losing Vince. Obviously some valuable aspects of that set were lost with him moving on, but our QB's now are very capable runners, and even be better passers. There's going to be a learning curve for sure, but I really think a more dangerous deep attack, to go with quick hits on the short routes, will go along way towards transitioning this offense without Vince Young.

I mean, think about it; Vince Young was one of the most dynamic college players to play this game in the last 10 years or so, and we still ran very simple, basic sets where he had the freedom to create. Theoretically, if Vince had come back, we could have increased our complexity on offense to fit his ability and experience, and this team REALLY would have been unstoppable. Considering we lose him, who's not to think we can gradually work our way up to the more complex sets we wanted to, but didn't NEED to run, with Vince here, and be simiarly productive, assuming a competent running game, which I think we are all assuming will in fact exist. Vince was the #1 passing efficency quarterback in the country, but he obviously didn't start out that way, and a lot of his production still came from the threat that he could tuck it and run. The fact that we were so productive with him in a fairly simple system shouldn't discourage the idea that we can indeed improve our complexity and pass production in spite of his lack of running. Colt and Jevan are passers FIRST, and they have the ability to get the job done through the air even better than Vince did. Will that be by the time September 9th rolls around? All we can do is hope.....but we know its possible.
 
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I was absent last night but I can't fight the urge to take a whack at this horse, who I must admit appears to already have assumed ambient temperature.

HL said it best: OSU sold out to stop the run against UT. The other side of the coin is that we played ND the same way that we played Northwestern and Illinois: We played to stop the pass first.

Yes, Sutton and Walker gashed us a few times as a result; but as often as not they got stoned in spite of our focus on the passing game.

Vince Young on the other hand, after the first drive (who didn't have a good first drive against us?), was forced to beat us with his arm. To his credit he did. Hats off to him. In my mind, the OSU game added more to the legend of VY then any other last season; because it was the one team that was able to even slow down the UT running game.

I just hope that with the return of our DTs and with a back 7 that is as athletic and fast as last years, and with the general trend of defenses being ahead of offenses early in the season, that we can slow down the UT running game this year too. Lord knows nobody else on their schedule will. As one poster mentioned, if our LBs run the wrong way; we're dead.

As long as they've been in the program and as much game time as they have, I don't expect this; but you never know.
 
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campies said:
The fact that we were so productive with him in a fairly simple system shouldn't discourage the idea that we can indeed improve our complexity and pass production in spite of his lack of running. Colt and Jevan are passers FIRST, and they have the ability to get the job done through the air even better than Vince did. Will that be by the time September 9th rolls around? All we can do is hope.....but we know its possible.
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Wasn't Greg Davis criticized for being too predictable in his playcalling in big games pre-Vince?
 
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jwinslow said:
Wasn't Greg Davis criticized for being too predictable in his playcalling in big games pre-Vince?
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I think G. Davis understands his pre-Vince playcalling will not cut it. He also understands with Snead or McCoy, (though not Vince) both are far more mobile than Simms or Applewhite. He also knows he can be more aggressive because of the strength of our defense. As other horn fans have noted, (not just scotchbreath here) that If players like J. Shipley, and J. Finley play ANYWHERE close to their potential, UT will have a great deep threat in Shipley, and a TE with freakish unlimited ability.
 
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jwinslow said:
Wasn't Greg Davis criticized for being too predictable in his playcalling in big games pre-Vince?
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Yes. According to my step father, my mom correctly guessed two plays in a row during the 2002 Texas-OU game.


Speaking of being able to guess plays....... Is OSU gonna run that speed option out of the 4-wide gun a bunch again? Or that quarterback draw with TS in that weird 4-wide 1 TE shotgun formation?

In fact, outside of our game, I really don't recall specifically what kind of plays and formations OSU was running last year. Anyone care to enlighten me?
 
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