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Game Thread Game One: #1 Ohio State 35, Northern Illinois 12 (9/2/06)

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G-FORCE said:
Which why playing you in the 1st game is an advantage to us. You may have the next A.J. Hawk waiting at linebacker right now, but do you really think his 1st time out he is going to play up to his level of potential? It is possible, but not likely.
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It won't be any of their "first times"...No offense, but that's why we play MAC teams...So these guys can get PT. They got plenty of PT last year...

I know that may sound arrogant, but that's the point of these games...It also gives programs like NIU an opportunity to get a huge win (and payday) and make that step to the next level. I just think that, unfortunately for you, you caught us in the wrong year...We are going to be really, really good this year me thinks...
 
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G-F, I think we hear what you are saying but, respectfully, Wolfe has put up those yards against a very different kind of defense than Ohio State. I think it's great that you have a lot of faith in Wolfe and your team but I think you are really deluding yourself if you think Ohio State's defense will drop off as much as you seem to suggest.

I see this game from a very different viewpoint. I think that Wolfe may be the third best back on the field in this game if Beanie Wells meets our expectations, which are admittedly very high and maybe unrealistic.

Let's compare what Pittman and Wolfe achieved against common opponents last year.

Wolfe got more yards against all three opponents, but he also had far more carries. Pittman actually had more yards per carry in every game, except TSUN. It's hard to call TSUN a common opponent. TSUN and Ohio State play above themselves in The Game. Also, there is the timing in the season (your first vs our last game). Still, there really isn't much difference between Pittman and Wolfe, if you remove the 76 yard touchdown run at the beginning of the second quarter against a very green TSUN defense.


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There is something that should cause you more concern.


If you dig a bit, you'll discover that Pittman rises to the competition from opposing backs. He is best when he is trying to outshine opposing backs who are getting more attention.

Pittman also plays well in the clutch.

When you needed Wolfe to step up against Michigan, at the end of the third quarter and in the fourth quarter, Wolfe got three yards on five carries (-1 1 0 1 1 ) and no score.

When we needed Pittman to put his hand up, at that same point in the game, he got 26 yards on seven carries (3 6 5 4 2 2 4) and the game winning touchdown, during which he ran over two Ohio turncoats to bust into the end zone.

Even if your team is improved, it played only two teams inside the top 40 of the power ratings and lost to them both. Your one game against a #20 power rating team (TSUN) was a blow out loss.

Now, if you still fancy your chances for a close game, compare the two defenses:

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=right><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Points/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>14.8 (11)</TD><TD>22.8 (78)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+11;statsId2=statsId2+78;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Rush Yards/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>74.5 (2)</TD><TD>146.2 (106)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+2;statsId2=statsId2+106;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Pass Yards/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>200.8 (104)</TD><TD>222.6 (169)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+104;statsId2=statsId2+169;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Total Yards/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>275.3 (11)</TD><TD>368.8 (127)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+11;statsId2=statsId2+127;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Third Down Pct.</TD><TD class=bgHigh>28.5% (6)</TD><TD>39.9% (151)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+6;statsId2=statsId2+151;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Fourth Down Pct.</TD><TD class=bgHigh>38.5% (59)</TD><TD>42.9% (96)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+59;statsId2=statsId2+96;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Sacks</TD><TD class=bgHigh>39 (9)</TD><TD>26 (87)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+9;statsId2=statsId2+87;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Sack Yards</TD><TD class=bgHigh>-250 (14)</TD><TD>-186 (71)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+14;statsId2=statsId2+71;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Rushing TDs</TD><TD class=bgHigh>9 (20)</TD><TD>13 (63)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+20;statsId2=statsId2+63;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Passing TDs</TD><TD class=bgHigh>8 (11)</TD><TD>19 (172)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+11;statsId2=statsId2+172;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Carries/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>347 (6)</TD><TD>456 (165)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+6;statsId2=statsId2+165;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Yards/Carry</TD><TD class=bgHigh>2.4 (2)</TD><TD>3.8 (98)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+2;statsId2=statsId2+98;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Completion Pct.</TD><TD>60.3% (186)</TD><TD class=bgHigh>57.3% (128)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+186;statsId2=statsId2+128;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Yards/Pass Attempt</TD><TD>6.1 (39)</TD><TD class=bgHigh>6.0 (26)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+39;statsId2=statsId2+26;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Pass Rating</TD><TD class=bgHigh>115.8 (76)</TD><TD>116.9 (81)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+76;statsId2=statsId2+81;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I know you will argue that these stats were achieved by Hawk and the other departing guys, and that would be true, but a lot of the guys playing this year got substantial playing time last year due to injuries to the 1's and also to other issues. So, this defense is not as green as some folks make out.

Wolfe is an impressive runner but he impresses against far inferior opponents (Sagarin SOS #97) to the kind that Antonio Pittman has run against (Sagarin SOS #2).

And even with such a great runner and so much softer a schedule, you still only rushed for ten yards more a game than Ohio State did. More worrying for you, NI gave up more than twice as many yards on rushing (1754 vs 819 for Ohio State).

Wolfe may do very well on the day. However, chances are that he will find Ohio State's run defense harder than any he faced last year despite the newer faces.

Furthermore, he may well be vastly outshined by Antonio Pittman on the day.

Tressel will want to see the 1's go through their routine and get the kinks out. He will want to score early and often and dominate on the offensive side of the ball especially. Still, I don't think we will see the blowout that might have been because Tressel will be holding back for the following game.

This one is not even going to be close, 35-10 is a very real possibility.
 
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In the last four years, OSU's rush D has given up 2.35, 3.52, 1.95 & 2.6 yards per carry.
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That is the key. That stat says to me that it's less about the individuals players that come through here, and more about recruiting, coaching, conditioning, and gameplanning. Jim Tressel and staff make stopping the run a priority, and their record shows that they are very successful at it - because they always have the right people to do it, and they put them in a position to be successful.
 
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Brandon Murphy 15/48 = 3.2yds/carry 5.21yds/carry 126.67yds/game
- He was 2.01yds/carry under and was 78.67 yds under his season avg.

I put this together in another thread about midway through the season last year, and I think that it is a measuring stick, considering he is a smaller back from the mac and in the first game of the season.

I know he is not as good as Wolfe, but he in the same way that Wolfe does put up big numbers playing aginst Mac level competition and not against tOSU.

I see alot of parallels in this game and last years Miami game.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Brandon Murphy 15/48 = 3.2yds/carry 5.21yds/carry 126.67yds/game
- He was 2.01yds/carry under and was 78.67 yds under his season avg.

I put this together in another thread about midway through the season last year, and I think that it is a measuring stick, considering he is a smaller back from the mac and in the first game of the season.

I know he is not as good as Wolfe, but he in the same way that Wolfe does put up big numbers playing aginst Mac level competition and not against tOSU.

I see alot of parallels in this game and last years Miami game.
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You're right he does play against the same level of competition, however he doesn't put up nearly as good of numbers.

Wolfe: (9 games)
242 carries, 1580 yards, 6.5 YPC, 16 td's. 175 YPG

Murphy (10 games):
226 carries, 1058 yards, 4.7 YPC, 9 td's. 105 YPG

Wolfe averaged 70 more yards per game, and 1.8 more yards per carry.

Murhphy is a nice back, but he isn't even close to NIU's level. That is like comparing Akron's D to yours.

There are some similarities between the Miami game last year, we both play in the MAC, and we both have good offenses. However I think NIU will be twice the team Miami was last year.
 
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You're right he does play against the same level of competition, however he doesn't put up nearly as good of numbers.

Wolfe: (9 games)
242 carries, 1580 yards, 6.5 YPC, 16 td's. 175 YPG

Murphy (10 games):
226 carries, 1058 yards, 4.7 YPC, 9 td's. 105 YPG

Wolfe averaged 70 more yards per game, and 1.8 more yards per carry.

Murhphy is a nice back, but he isn't even close to NIU's level. That is like comparing Akron's D to yours.

There are some similarities between the Miami game last year, we both play in the MAC, and we both have good offenses. However I think NIU will be twice the team Miami was last year.
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Like I said in my post he was not the same as Wolfe, but he racked up his yards against Mac competition and did absolutely nothing against us. It shows that it is easier to put up numbers like that in the Mac.

As for you being twice the team Miami was last year, I find that really hard to believe.
 
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G-F, I think we hear what you are saying but, respectfully, Wolfe has put up those yards against a very different kind of defense than Ohio State. I think it's great that you have a lot of faith in Wolfe and your team but I think you are really deluding yourself if you think Ohio State's defense will drop off as much as you seem to suggest.

I see this game from a very different viewpoint. I think that Wolfe may be the third best back on the field in this game if Beanie Wells meets our expectations, which are admittedly very high and maybe unrealistic.

Let's compare what Pittman and Wolfe achieved against common opponents last year.

Wolfe got more yards against all three opponents, but he also had far more carries. Pittman actually had more yards per carry in every game, except TSUN. It's hard to call TSUN a common opponent. TSUN and Ohio State play above themselves in The Game. Also, there is the timing in the season (your first vs our last game). Still, there really isn't much difference between Pittman and Wolfe, if you remove the 76 yard touchdown run at the beginning of the second quarter against a very green TSUN defense.


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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>(Without touchdown run, Wolfe gets 72 yards on 16 carries for 4.5 yards a carry)



There is something that should cause you more concern.


If you dig a bit, you'll discover that Pittman rises to the competition from opposing backs. He is best when he is trying to outshine opposing backs who are getting more attention.

Pittman also plays well in the clutch.

When you needed Wolfe to step up against Michigan, at the end of the third quarter and in the fourth quarter, Wolfe got three yards on five carries (-1 1 0 1 1 ) and no score.

When we needed Pittman to put his hand up, at that same point in the game, he got 26 yards on seven carries (3 6 5 4 2 2 4) and the game winning touchdown, during which he ran over two Ohio turncoats to bust into the end zone.

Even if your team is improved, it played only two teams inside the top 40 of the power ratings and lost to them both. Your one game against a #20 power rating team (TSUN) was a blow out loss.

Now, if you still fancy your chances for a close game, compare the two defenses:

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgC align=right><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Points/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>14.8 (11)</TD><TD>22.8 (78)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+11;statsId2=statsId2+78;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Rush Yards/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>74.5 (2)</TD><TD>146.2 (106)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+2;statsId2=statsId2+106;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Pass Yards/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>200.8 (104)</TD><TD>222.6 (169)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+104;statsId2=statsId2+169;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Total Yards/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>275.3 (11)</TD><TD>368.8 (127)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+11;statsId2=statsId2+127;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Third Down Pct.</TD><TD class=bgHigh>28.5% (6)</TD><TD>39.9% (151)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+6;statsId2=statsId2+151;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Fourth Down Pct.</TD><TD class=bgHigh>38.5% (59)</TD><TD>42.9% (96)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+59;statsId2=statsId2+96;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Sacks</TD><TD class=bgHigh>39 (9)</TD><TD>26 (87)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+9;statsId2=statsId2+87;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Sack Yards</TD><TD class=bgHigh>-250 (14)</TD><TD>-186 (71)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+14;statsId2=statsId2+71;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Rushing TDs</TD><TD class=bgHigh>9 (20)</TD><TD>13 (63)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+20;statsId2=statsId2+63;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Passing TDs</TD><TD class=bgHigh>8 (11)</TD><TD>19 (172)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+11;statsId2=statsId2+172;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Carries/Game</TD><TD class=bgHigh>347 (6)</TD><TD>456 (165)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+6;statsId2=statsId2+165;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Yards/Carry</TD><TD class=bgHigh>2.4 (2)</TD><TD>3.8 (98)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+2;statsId2=statsId2+98;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Completion Pct.</TD><TD>60.3% (186)</TD><TD class=bgHigh>57.3% (128)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+186;statsId2=statsId2+128;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Yards/Pass Attempt</TD><TD>6.1 (39)</TD><TD class=bgHigh>6.0 (26)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+39;statsId2=statsId2+26;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC align=right><TD align=left>Pass Rating</TD><TD class=bgHigh>115.8 (76)</TD><TD>116.9 (81)<SCRIPT>statsId1=statsId1+76;statsId2=statsId2+81;</SCRIPT> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I know you will argue that these stats were achieved by Hawk and the other departing guys, and that would be true, but a lot of the guys playing this year got substantial playing time last year due to injuries to the 1's and also to other issues. So, this defense is not as green as some folks make out.

Wolfe is an impressive runner but he impresses against far inferior opponents (Sagarin SOS #97) to the kind that Antonio Pittman has run against (Sagarin SOS #2).

And even with such a great runner and so much softer a schedule, you still only rushed for ten yards more a game than Ohio State did. More worrying for you, NI gave up more than twice as many yards on rushing (1754 vs 819 for Ohio State).

Wolfe may do very well on the day. However, chances are that he will find Ohio State's run defense harder than any he faced last year despite the newer faces.

Furthermore, he may well be vastly outshined by Antonio Pittman on the day.

Tressel will want to see the 1's go through their routine and get the kinks out. He will want to score early and often and dominate on the offensive side of the ball especially. Still, I don't think we will see the blowout that might have been because Tressel will be holding back for the following game.

This one is not even going to be close, 35-10 is a very real possibility.
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Wolfe isn't clutch? Our last three games of the year (all-must wins mind you) he had 107 carries for 724 yards (6.8 YPC), and 9 touchdwons. That was in 3 games! He averaged 241 yards in our biggest games of the year.

This isn't a clutch run?
http://www.huskiemobile.com/wolfe2.mp4

You want to bring up 4 carries in a 33-10 game, and call him not clutch? Go ahead. How about that same game. Down 14-3 to start the second quater, he goes 75 yards to get the team going. That isn't clutch?

http://www.huskiemobile.com/wolfe.mp4

In 2 big ten road games (both teams went to bowl games, so don't bring up level of competition) he had 51 carries for 393 yards (7.7 YPC, 196 YPG). And stop with the take out the 75 yard run, that is what he does. He breaks runs and goes the distance.

So let's see in our 5 biggest games (Michigan, Northwestern, Toledo, Western Michigan, MAC Championship Game) Wolfe had 158 carries for 1,117 yards (7 YPC, 223 yards per game) and 13 touchdowns. If that isn't clutch, please show me what is.

For you to pick out 3 runs, and call Garrett Wolfe not clutch, is laughable and wrong.

If Pittman is such a "clutch" back where was he in the Michigan game?
 
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Just to nitpick...
Down 14-3 to start the second quater, he goes 75 yards to get the team going. That isn't clutch?
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no it's not. clutch isn't starting the 2nd quarter.
In 2 big ten road games (both teams went to bowl games, so don't bring up level of competition)
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who doesn't go to a bowl game nowadays? level of competition is still a valid question.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Just to nitpick...
no it's not. clutch isn't starting the 2nd quarter.
who doesn't go to a bowl game nowadays? level of competition is still a valid question.
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Oh yeah, but when I point out Wolfe's Northwestern and Michigan games compared to Pittman's it "isn't valid" because Pittman was playing in a rivalry game and Wolfe wasn't.

Bull.

Saying Wolfe isn't clutch because of 3 runs is the biggest joke I have ever heard. In our 5 biggest games he averaged 223 yards per game! How is that not clutch?
 
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G-FORCE said:
I honestly don't know what he will do. We got behind Akron by 2 scores in the MAC Championship Game (yes I know Akron isn't 1/2 the team you guys are) and he ended up carry the ball 40+ times. We down by 14 at half to Northwestern, and he carried the ball 30+ times.

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If Ohio State is up 24-7 in the 2nd, things could get ugly. I don't think you will be up 24-7 in the 2nd quater.
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I can most assure you we'll be up by more than 14 at the half. In fact, if we don't have at least 28 on the board by intermission, I'll be extremely surprised. No way NIU puts two TDs on us in the first half.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I can most assure you we'll be up by more than 14 at the half. In fact, if we don't have at least 28 on the board by intermission, I'll be extremely surprised. No way NIU puts two TDs on us in the first half.
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We'll see. No point in arguing that because you can't argue something in the future.


However saying Garrett Wolfe is not clutch is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.
 
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Oh yeah, but when I point out Wolfe's Northwestern and Michigan games compared to Pittman's it "isn't valid" because Pittman was playing in a rivalry game and Wolfe wasn't.

Bull.

Saying Wolfe isn't clutch because of 3 runs is the biggest joke I have ever heard. In our 5 biggest games he averaged 223 yards per game! How is that not clutch?
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I never said he wasn't clutch. I don't know if he is or not. But having a 75 yard run in the 2nd quarter doesn't scream clutch to me. And "your" 5 biggest games are against who? MAC teams?

I think you stated your whole argument about Wolfe is that you don't think he's respected on these boards. So show me what he has done against a team with a good defense. Respect isn't earned just by having stats against MAC teams.

Stats don't even show the whole story. Am I correct in assuming that NIU is a running team? If so, you don't think that skews any comparisons made against Pittman? I mean, I understand that if Pittman was that much better than the rest of the players on our team then we would be a running team also, but that doesn't really say anything about Wolfe vs. Pittman.
 
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