Penn State is also playing YSU this year. Playing a I-AA team for the 12th game won't hurt nearly as bad as many think.
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Penn State is also playing YSU this year. Playing a I-AA team for the 12th game won't hurt nearly as bad as many think.
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8/24/06
Penguins fill spots in Buckeyes schedule
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Posted: August 24, 2006
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A few days before Ohio State played San Diego State last season, All-American linebacker A.J. Hawk made the point that the Buckeyes would not look past the Aztecs.
"We know we still have a big test," Hawk said. "We don't schedule I-AA teams here. We play great teams every week."
Not so fast, A.J. These days, the definition of "great" is a bit more elastic.
I-AA Youngstown State will open the 2007 and 2008 seasons at Ohio State and will receive $850,000 for its trouble. More I-AA opponents are likely on the way, subsidized by more than 100,000 ticket buyers at $58 apiece.
Forget the rising cost of a gallon of gas; inflation has really rocked the world of football scheduling. Ohio State officials say it will soon cost $1 million -- more than a 100 percent markup over the past year or two -- to coerce some school with a second-level pedigree to come play football at Ohio Stadium.
"The guarantees went up because the Tennessees, Ohio States, Michigans, Floridas and Texases were all trying to add a seventh or eight game to their home schedule," athletic director Gene Smith said.
Starting with this season, NCAA Division I-A teams may play 12 regular-season games. The Buckeyes open on Sept. 2 at home against Northern Illinois.
Smith and head coach Jim Tressel like to play as many home games as possible, and to play teams within Ohio to keep the money in-state. The typical guarantee for a non-conference opponent to come to Ohio Stadium was just $350,000 to $450,000 as recently as last season.
"We have to have at least seven home games every year, maybe eight in other years," said Steve Snapp, Ohio State's sports information director. "The fact is that it's competitive out there. The smaller schools know that the larger schools need games."
Ohio State recently released its football schedules through the 2010 season. Smith and Snapp said non-conference teams visiting Ohio Stadium over that span will get about $850,000 to make the trip. Smith said the day is at hand when it will cost Ohio State $1 million to bring in an opponent.
There is only one gap in those four schedules -- a Halloween game in 2010 -- but a whole lot of questions about who the Buckeyes will play.
The opponents include perennial toughies such as Washington (2007), Southern Cal (2008 and 2009) and the Miami Hurricanes (2010). Ticket-buyers love those matchups. They are not so crazy about some of the others.
It will take a lot for Youngstown State and Army (2009, 2010) to compete on equal terms with Ohio State. Army hasn't been a factor on the national scene in 50 years, while the Penguins are a member of what used to be known as Division I-AA.
The NCAA, in an effort to eliminate a moniker that all but confirmed it as a minor league of major college football, passed legislation this summer to rename I-AA the "NCAA Football Championship Subdivision." I-A is now known as the "Football Bowl Subdivision."
When Youngstown State comes to Ohio Stadium to open the 2007 season, it will be the first time Ohio State has played a I-AA opponent. Fans are already bombarding the daily newspaper with e-mails and letters to the editor complaining that they're paying high prices for tickets and they want to see a top-level opponent, not some second-rate opponent.
Snapp said he is aware of the athletic department receiving only one negative e-mail about scheduling Youngstown State.
The game was almost preordained, of course, since Tressel came to Ohio State after spending 15 years as the head coach at Youngstown State, where he won four I-AA playoff championships.
Smith joked that he didn't have to twist Tressel's arm to get him to schedule Youngstown State.
"Get serious," Smith said with a chuckle.
Tressel said there should be no stigma applied to I-AA teams.
"If you want home games, I don't know how you're going to avoid it," Tressel said. "You're going to have to go to that inventory. I would not foresee us going I-AA out of the state, unless the inventory just gets so low."
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DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
With the 12th game a I-AA will be common place on many teams schedules. I don't think playing it will hurt us that much. If we take care of business we'll end up where we want to be. I-AA isn't my first choice but Y-Town St. has been competitive with lower tier MAC schools semi-recently so this shouldn't be too bad. Not a bad way to break in a new QB next year. The Penguins to the best of my info will be in I-AA for the near future because the MAC feels it's already over saturated in Ohio schools. The MAC holds the Penguins I-A future.
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Do people realize that playing a Division I-AA opponent could potentially cost tOSU a spot in the Rose Bowl?
If two teams tie for the Big Ten title but neither is in the final BCS top 2, and they didn't play each other, and one team played a I-AA team and the other didn't, the team that didn't play a I-AA team goes to the Rose Bowl. It could also happen in a 3-way tie (or a 4-way tie) where the teams all defeated each other.
Any team ranked #1 or #2 in the BCS goes to the BCS Championship Game.
After that, these are the rules for the Rose Bowl, which I have copied from the Big Ten 2006 Football Media Guide.
B. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked #1 or #2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games count 1/2 win and 1/2 loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative shall be determined as follows:
1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.
3) If there is still a tie for the championship, and if one of the two tied teams played a game against a Division I-AA team, then that team shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played a game against a Division I-AA team, the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years 12-game schedule.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS Automatic selection shall be eliminated
6) If more than two teams tie for the championship, the same selection procedures shall be followed with the following exceptions:
a) If three teams are tied, and if one team defeated both of the other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
b) If three teams are tied, and if two of the three teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated, and the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
c) If three teams are tied, and there is a tie game between two of the three teams, or if two or all three teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years a 12-game, schedule, except if one or two of the tied teams played a game against a Division I-AA opponent, then said team or teams shall be eliminated, and the remaining two teams, if applicable, shall revetr to the two-team tie procedure.
d) If three teams are tied, and one of the three teams is eliminated through the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11 game/12 game schedule procedure, the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
e) If three teams are tied, and all three teams have the same winning percentage of all games playedin the traditional 11 game/12 game schedule, the most recent team representing the conference shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
NOTE - there is a section on the four-way tie procedure, but I'm not going to type it out. It follows the same logic.
If two teams tie for the Big Ten title but neither is in the final BCS top 2, and they didn't play each other, and one team played a I-AA team and the other didn't, the team that didn't play a I-AA team goes to the Rose Bowl. It could also happen in a 3-way tie (or a 4-way tie) where the teams all defeated each other.
Any team ranked #1 or #2 in the BCS goes to the BCS Championship Game.
After that, these are the rules for the Rose Bowl, which I have copied from the Big Ten 2006 Football Media Guide.
B. Rose Bowl. Unless ranked #1 or #2 in the final BCS poll, the conference champion shall participate in the Rose Bowl. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of conference games (tie games count 1/2 win and 1/2 loss). If there is a tie for the championship, the Rose Bowl representative shall be determined as follows:
1) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the conference representative.
2) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the conference.
3) If there is still a tie for the championship, and if one of the two tied teams played a game against a Division I-AA team, then that team shall be eliminated.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, or if both teams played a game against a Division I-AA team, the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years 12-game schedule.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS Automatic selection shall be eliminated
6) If more than two teams tie for the championship, the same selection procedures shall be followed with the following exceptions:
a) If three teams are tied, and if one team defeated both of the other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
b) If three teams are tied, and if two of the three teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated, and the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
c) If three teams are tied, and there is a tie game between two of the three teams, or if two or all three teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years a 12-game, schedule, except if one or two of the tied teams played a game against a Division I-AA opponent, then said team or teams shall be eliminated, and the remaining two teams, if applicable, shall revetr to the two-team tie procedure.
d) If three teams are tied, and one of the three teams is eliminated through the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11 game/12 game schedule procedure, the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
e) If three teams are tied, and all three teams have the same winning percentage of all games playedin the traditional 11 game/12 game schedule, the most recent team representing the conference shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
NOTE - there is a section on the four-way tie procedure, but I'm not going to type it out. It follows the same logic.
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DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
That might change my opinion right quick on playing a I-AA :(
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ytownbuckeye
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youngstown state in its best years would be .500 in the mac and would be lucky to score on the fourth string defense in the shoe
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I posted the above text directly out of the 2006 Big Ten Football media guide, but I now think it's not current information. A Division I-AA opponent does NOT affect the bowl selection process. I've e-mailed the league offices requesting a clarification. This link is from the Big Ten's website:
bigten/102204
Method to Determine Automatic Representative to Bowl Championship Series
Bowl Championship Series (BCS) - Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta Bowls. In the event the Conference football champion or co-champion has a No. 1 or 2 ranking in the Bowl Championship Series poll, the Conference champion or co-champion shall participate in the BCS national championship game. If two or more teams are tied for the Conference championship, and one of the tied teams is ranked No. 1 or No. 2 in the BCS poll, that team shall participate in the BCS national championship game, and the other team(s) will be available for selection as an at-large team in the BCS pool. In years that the Rose Bowl hosts the national championship game and the Conference champion is not ranked No. 1 or No. 2, the champion or co-champion will be available for selection by the Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, or other bowls designated for inclusion in the BCS. If the champion or co-champion is not ranked No. 1 or 2, that team shall participate in the Rose Bowl in years when the Rose Bowl is not hosting the national championship game as follows:
1) The Conference champion shall be the representative team. The championship shall be determined on the percentage basis of Conference games (tie game counts 1/2 win and 1/2 loss).
2) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the Conference representative.
3) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the Conference.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game schedule, or in certain years (2002 and 2003) 12-game schedule.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.
6) If more than two teams tie for the championship, the same selection procedures shall be followed with the following exceptions:
Revised August, 20012) An ineligible team shall not be considered in the standings for determination of the Conference representative.
3) If there is a tie for the championship, the winner of the game between these two teams shall represent the Conference.
4) If there is still a tie, or if the tied teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game schedule, or in certain years (2002 and 2003) 12-game schedule.
5) If there is still a tie, the most recent team earning BCS automatic selection shall be eliminated.
6) If more than two teams tie for the championship, the same selection procedures shall be followed with the following exceptions:
a) If three teams are tied, and if one team defeated both of the other teams, then that team shall be the representative.
b) If three teams are tied, and if two of the three teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated, and the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
c) If three teams are tied, and there is a tie game between two of the three teams, or if two or all three of the teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years (2002 and 2003) 12-game schedule.
d) If three teams are tied, and one of the three teams is eliminated through the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule procedure, the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
e) If three teams are tied, and all three teams have the same winning percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule, the most recent team representing the Conference shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
7) If four teams tie for the championship, the following selection procedure shall be followed:b) If three teams are tied, and if two of the three teams defeated the third team, the third team is eliminated, and the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
c) If three teams are tied, and there is a tie game between two of the three teams, or if two or all three of the teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years (2002 and 2003) 12-game schedule.
d) If three teams are tied, and one of the three teams is eliminated through the percentage basis of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule procedure, the remaining two teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
e) If three teams are tied, and all three teams have the same winning percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule, the most recent team representing the Conference shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
a) If one team defeated each of the other three teams, then that team shall be the representative.
b) If two of the four teams defeated each of the other two teams, the latter two teams shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
c) If three of the four teams defeated the fourth team, the fourth team is eliminated, and the remaining three teams shall revert to the three team tie procedure.
d) If there is a tie game between two of the four teams, or if two of the four teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years (2002 and 2003) 12-game schedule.
e) If one of the four teams is eliminated through the percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule procedure, the remaining three teams shall revert to the three team tie procedure.
f) If all four teams have the same winning percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule, the most recent team representing the Conference shall be eliminated and the three remaining teams shall revert to the three team tie procedure.
b) If two of the four teams defeated each of the other two teams, the latter two teams shall be eliminated, and the two remaining teams shall revert to the two team tie procedure.
c) If three of the four teams defeated the fourth team, the fourth team is eliminated, and the remaining three teams shall revert to the three team tie procedure.
d) If there is a tie game between two of the four teams, or if two of the four teams did not play each other, the representative shall be determined on a percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game, or in certain years (2002 and 2003) 12-game schedule.
e) If one of the four teams is eliminated through the percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule procedure, the remaining three teams shall revert to the three team tie procedure.
f) If all four teams have the same winning percentage of all games played in the traditional 11-game/12-game schedule, the most recent team representing the Conference shall be eliminated and the three remaining teams shall revert to the three team tie procedure.
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Wow, for a "ytown" buckeye you don't know much about the Penguins. They're .500 or so against I-A teams all-time and have beaten plenty of MAC teams, including beating both Akron and Kent State in the same year (in fact they blew out Akron 41-7). They also played I-A and top-20 Marshall tough at Marshall. With the exposure they'll be getting playing Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, etc., over the next few years, they could become quite formidable in the MAC or CUSA.
Here's their all-time records against teams currently in division I-A:
Akron: 19-14-2
Boise St.: 1-0-0
BGSU: 2-4-0
Buffalo: 4-4-0
Central Mich: 7-5-2
Cincinnati: 2-2-0
Eastern Mich: 6-7-0
Idaho: 1-0-0
Kent St.: 6-4-0
Marshall: 4-5-1
Nevada: 1-0-0
Ohio: 3-4-0
Toledo: 2-4-1
West Virginia: 0-1-0
Western Mich: 1-2-0
If I totalled correctly, that's 59-56-6 all-time against current I-A teams...
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Mili, I'm adding these other (currently) I-A teams that Y-St has played:
Ball St. 0-1
Fla. Atlantic 1-1
Fla. Int'l 0-1
Mid Tenn St. 4-3
N. Tex St. 0-2
Pitt 0-1
UCF 1-2
Those additional totals are 6-11.
So overall it would be 65-67-6. Pretty competitive, but just below .500
Ball St. 0-1
Fla. Atlantic 1-1
Fla. Int'l 0-1
Mid Tenn St. 4-3
N. Tex St. 0-2
Pitt 0-1
UCF 1-2
Those additional totals are 6-11.
So overall it would be 65-67-6. Pretty competitive, but just below .500
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Saw31
High Seas Rogue
All-time records aside...During YSU's and Tressel's hayday up here in Y-Town, YSU would've kicked the shit out of most of the MAC regularly if they played in the conference...They were that competitive...They were just as good, if not better than Marshall and look what Marshall did when they moved up to 1A and the MAC...
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