You are right, and I know of people who went to smaller schools, who with either a frat or soriety you had to submit a picture before you were even considered for any event.
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You are right, and I know of people who went to smaller schools, who with either a frat or soriety you had to submit a picture before you were even considered for any event.
High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
I have really never understood the hostility towards the greek system that shows up at some schools.
I was a pike at Texas and loved it. I was able to do lots of things that I otherwise would not have been able to, but that was my choice. I certainly wouldn't hold it against anyone that didn't want to join.
I was a pike at Texas and loved it. I was able to do lots of things that I otherwise would not have been able to, but that was my choice. I certainly wouldn't hold it against anyone that didn't want to join.
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gbearbuck
Herbie for President
To stereotype, greek life seems to be more "acceptable" in the south than the north.
Also looking at the high schools that many greeks attended... interesting similarities (at least at OU). A large portion of the guys were from the "more expensive" suburbs or private high schools... Off the top of my head I cannot think of one person from my high school that didn't go greek at OU (and greek at OU was/is a minority)...
Also looking at the high schools that many greeks attended... interesting similarities (at least at OU). A large portion of the guys were from the "more expensive" suburbs or private high schools... Off the top of my head I cannot think of one person from my high school that didn't go greek at OU (and greek at OU was/is a minority)...
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OSUsushichic
Fired up! Ready to go!
I was in a few academic "fraternities" (Phi Alpha Theta and Omicron Delta Kappa), but at Ohio Wesleyan sorority girls could not live in the houses, so I didn't see a real point in shelling out the cash to join. (According to a city ordinance, if so many girls were living in the same house they considered it a brothel. 
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I'd also like to add that on a school by school basis, the participant base in greek organizations are so different. At ONU, it seemed a big benefit and widely held with respect. When I transferred to Capital, the sorority system was strong but the frat system seemed somewhat of a joke. Then again, I was an "outsider" and they didn't have houses. I was also older. It's all PP I suppose.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
The thing that annoyed me was the constant attempt to try and tell me that the relationship with their "brothers" was comparable to the ones I had with Marines I served with.
Marines I went into combat with.
Marines who carried me out of Wardigley when I collapsed from blood loss after taking shrap from an RPG.
Marines who's children I am a Godparent for.
Marines who's wives I've stood by when they were put in the ground.
Marines who to this day would help me hide a body.
Sorry kids but it just ain't the same.
I have no problems with "greek" life (hehe immature chuckle) but when milk teated mama's boys get up in my face with a better than thou act about "brotherhood"...then we have a problem.
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Umm.... are we talking about the same thing?
You know Muck, I understand where you're coming from but many "faggish frat boys" have been through much the same type of brotherhood as you with your comrades FWIW. In no way am I minimizing what you've been through with your friends, but I am sure there are many times a frat brother has laid one of his brothers to rest much the same.
Here's where I come from (to sum it all up)-
I say live and let live. Frat life isn't for everyone nor is Independent life. Do people hate a black guy because he listens to rap, or a white guy because he enjoys dancing but can't? Sure, some people hate for those reasons. They're called bigots. How is hating a guy who never got involved (or a frat guy who loves what he did) any different? Really, it's all the same. Judging people based on who they are or what they like. Folks, not to get too touchy feely, but come on now- what makes people interesting is that they're all different.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
Let's put this into perspective for a second:
Between the ages of 18-22 my brothers are training every day so that they can ensure their survival and the survival of their brothers when they go into combat.
Of the first four years in my brotherhood roughly half (if not more) of it is spent overseas. In fun vacation spots like Beirut, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Bosnia etc.
My brothers are reminded on a near daily basis that ultimately their job is to kill. They also know that elsewhere around the world there are folks training for the express purpose of becoming better at killing Marines.
Yes there may be some similarities between fraternal groups...a feeling of comraderie blah blah blah. However anyone who beliefs the similarities between being in a college fraternity for four years and being a member of a organization whose basic mission is to "locate, close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver" are anything more than the most superficial & tenuous is sadly misinformed.
737 of my brothers have perished in combat areas over the past 4 years.
PS - I certainly hope you are not associate the "faggish frat boy" label with my statements. To be very clear I said "milk teated mama's boys". :)
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So you're saying alcohol poisoning and passing out while a frat house goes up in flames aren't noble deaths?
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
Well thats ridiculous. In my experience fraternity guys(at least at texas) would be the first to come and shake your hand and thank you for your serivce. Maybe I just see things how I want to see them.
I will also agree that Fraternities seem to be more of a southern thing.
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buckeyegrad
Don't Immanentize the Eschaton
What stereotypes are you referring to? That they are cliques? That they sustain the good-old boy networks? That they do nothing but party and get drunk? That they are a major source of campus-area vandalism? That rape often occurs within the system? That they endanger people's lives through the hazing processes? That racism is still a problem within many of them?
Sounds like a reasonable law to me. There aren't too many differences between most sororities and brothels.
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