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Kirk just made a strong presentation for Michigan. He kept repeating due not vote if your basis of putting Florida ahead of Michigan is because you don't want to see a rematch, that a voters job is to pick teams on talent and not try to be a matchup maker.
 
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BuckWrestler141;676659; said:
Kirk just made a strong presentation for Michigan. He kept repeating due not vote if your basis of putting Florida ahead of Michigan is because you don't want to see a rematch, that a voters job is to pick teams on talent and not try to be a matchup maker.
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I thought that was interesting, because all of the other guys on CF final were basically lobbying for Florida. They also said it would all come down to the human factor, so there is no way to know how that will go. Lee, for once, did a good analysis of all of the things that the humans will be thinking about besides just the teams involved...of those, I thought the point about Auburn not playing for the title 2 years ago and the SEC "not getting screwed again" was the most interesting...no way to know how many of the voters actually feel that way or not.
 
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a rematch would just piss me off so much. they don't deserve it... we already saw that game, i was there, and i don't want that experience to be devalued.

i also don't want a possible scenario where michigan finishes 2nd to tOSU in the big ten but somehow wins the NC over us. That just makes no sense at all.
 
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Tresselbeliever;676624; said:
If the refs had not wrongly flag O'Neil for his perfect coverage on Manningham, Ohio State would have won 42-32 and we would not be having this discussion right now. What can I say, perception trumps reality.
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I've never heard so many ifs, wouldas, couldas, and shouldas out of a winning team. If Datish hadn't fumbled those snaps. If the refs hadn't called pass interference. Well, if Shawn Crable hadn't lost his head, and if Steve Breaston hadn't slipped on the lousy turf, and if a lot of things. The game was 42-39, not 42-0, 42-32, or 46-42 Michigan, so all we have to go on is what happened, not what would have happened if.
 
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It's so nice to be the consensus #1 team in the nation. Especially right now. I'm just thinking about how I'll be able to sleep well tonight knowing the Bucks are in the Championship game while Florida and Michigan fans will be up all night arguing that their team should get a shot (or a "reshot").
 
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OK, I could handle Herbie being his usual diplomatic self and just chalk it up to being professional...but he seriously should NOT be campaigning for Michigan. He's one of the one's keeping this ridiculous rematch talk alive. Herbie, for the love of god, STFU!!!
 
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Wait! Isn't the solution obvious? I mean, they are seemingly trying to combine teams and looking for the combination of a team that A) we have beaten in 2006, B) hasn't won a conference, C) has an offensive genius as a coach, D) has an over-hyped QB and E) Has an overrated defense....isn't it obvious?

NOTRE DAME BABY :biggrin: :tongue2:
 
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HailToMichigan;676670; said:
I've never heard so many ifs, wouldas, couldas, and shouldas out of a winning team. If Datish hadn't fumbled those snaps. If the refs hadn't called pass interference. Well, if Shawn Crable hadn't lost his head, and if Steve Breaston hadn't slipped on the lousy turf, and if a lot of things. The game was 42-39, not 42-0, 42-32, or 46-42 Michigan, so all we have to go on is what happened, not what would have happened if.
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Well guess what, style points do matter in this case, because it will be up to humans to determine the ranking. And you know what, a point here and there does matter in terms of how they rank. No one is complaining about the outcome of the game. We won. However, a bad call made Michigan look 100 times better than they were. Again, it was 42-32 with Michigan driving down the field with a couple of minutes left on the clock. If the score would have stayed that way, then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Those who argue for Michigan's case at apt to point to Florida's lack of style points. Well let's see where Michigan got their style points:
28-14 vs. Minnesota?
20 points vs. Iowa?
17 points vs. Northwestern?
26-34 decision vs. Ball State, right?
Does beating ND really counting?
Fact of the matter is, Michigan has gotten most of their style points from the loss to Ohio State, in a game that was perceived to be closer than it was due to several factors.
 
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HailToMichigan;676670; said:
I've never heard so many ifs, wouldas, couldas, and shouldas out of a winning team. If Datish hadn't fumbled those snaps. If the refs hadn't called pass interference. Well, if Shawn Crable hadn't lost his head, and if Steve Breaston hadn't slipped on the lousy turf, and if a lot of things. The game was 42-39, not 42-0, 42-32, or 46-42 Michigan, so all we have to go on is what happened, not what would have happened if.
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Maybe go to a fucking scUM board if you don't like it? Last time I checked this is our place.
 
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OK, I am gonna break this down as objectively as I can here. The announcers during the SEC CG were way outta line (if Herbstreit shouldn't be campaigning for Michigan, there's no way the CBS guys should be shilling for Florida when the outcome is still in doubt). But I liked their method of breaking down the schedule, even if their conclusions were pretty suspect. Ranking Michigan's and Florida's wins and losses, it looks like this, IMO:

Michigan: Florida:

Ohio State Auburn

Notre Dame LSU
Wisconsin Arkansas
Penn State Tennessee
Central Mich Georgia
Indiana Kentucky
Minnesota Florida State
Michigan St Alabama
Iowa Southern Miss
N'western UCF
Ball State South Carolina

And one common opponent, Vanderbilt. The announcers' bias led them to call that one a push. "It's a wash, throw it out," they said. Huh? The last game you throw out is the common opponent. Florida squeaked by Vandy, Michigan smoked them. Advantage Michigan in that one. Michigan gets the advantage in 4 games, Florida in 6. But most of Florida's advantages come from the lower-tier games. Ball State or South Carolina is a push - both were bad teams and crummy games. Wisconsin or Arkansas is a push too - Arkansas is a slightly better opponent but Michigan's margin of victory was more convincing.

Oh, and I was generous to Florida by substituting Arkansas for Western Carolina. Michigan didn't get to add a quality win in a conference championship game like Florida did, and Michigan doesn't bother with I-AA opponents - and Western Carolina is the dregs of I-AA.

Florida's average margin of victory is 29-13 (though if you take out WCU it's 26-15). Michigan's is 30-15.

Both teams played 2 bowl teams out of the conference (Notre Dame/CMU, Southern Miss/FSU). Michigan's non-conference schedule includes one likely BCS team, one conference champ, one patsy team from a BCS conference, and one MAC schlub. Florida's was one conference runner-up, one mediocre team from a BCS conference, one CUSA schlub, and one godawful DI-AA team.

So. Schedule-wise, Michigan had the toughest games. Florida had more tough games, but also more pattycake games. Stats-wise, Florida outgained Michigan by about 20 yards a game; Michigan's defense was better by about 10 yards a game.

The only conclusion I can draw from all this is that I'm glad I'm not trying to fill out a ballot tonight.
 
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