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If the BCS had learned its lesson in 2001 with Nebraska and in 2003 with Oklahoma, we woundn't even be having this discusion. But no, the idiots who run the system can't seem to get it in their head that if you don't win your conference championship, you have no right to be playing for the national title.
As for us winning the Big 10 Title this year. It's a great accomplishment that I am very proud of, but in all honesty it really doesn't matter if we would lose to scUM in the national title game. No one will remember it, except us Buckeye fans who will look like losers grasping for straws.
I believe we will beat scUM in a rematch, but the opportunity should not be given to them. Assuming Florida holds on to win, they deserve the shot at us. They got the job done an won their conference championship. In reality, we have no way of knowing whether Florida or Michigan is the better team without them meeting on the field. Since this can't happen in the current system, how can anyone argue that the team that doesn't win their conference has a greater right to play for the national title than the team who did win it, when they both only have 1 loss.
As for us winning the Big 10 Title this year. It's a great accomplishment that I am very proud of, but in all honesty it really doesn't matter if we would lose to scUM in the national title game. No one will remember it, except us Buckeye fans who will look like losers grasping for straws.
I believe we will beat scUM in a rematch, but the opportunity should not be given to them. Assuming Florida holds on to win, they deserve the shot at us. They got the job done an won their conference championship. In reality, we have no way of knowing whether Florida or Michigan is the better team without them meeting on the field. Since this can't happen in the current system, how can anyone argue that the team that doesn't win their conference has a greater right to play for the national title than the team who did win it, when they both only have 1 loss.
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t_BuckeyeScott
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mandel
FWIW he said that in this scenario the pollsters wouldn't let scUM go over the Gators. I agree.
FWIW he said that in this scenario the pollsters wouldn't let scUM go over the Gators. I agree.
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Is Florida better than Scum? Or is Scum better than Florida? Who had the tougher schedule? Honestly I don't know the answers to those questions. But I do know one thing OSU is better than the boys up North! That was proven on November 18th. The championship is not won on paper it is won on the field! Is OSU better tha UF? Probably, but we won't know for sure until January 8th! Bring on the Gators!!
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CookyPuss
Screw Blue
I am not even going to pretend to know what is going to happen tomorrow, but my dad had a very good point: there is a huge amount of money riding on this. Do you really think they are going to let all that $$ go to the Big 10? I think it is about 10 million extra if both teams are in the championship game. I wonder if they won't be some SEC coaches dropping scUM an extra spot in their rankings. In all honesty, I hate to think this one is coming down to the computer geeks. In the end it won't matter cause we are kicking someone's ass on Jan 8.
Edit: I just looked it up and the Big 10 does not get any extra share of the BCS money for having 2 teams in the championship game from what I can tell, but they would get a big boost in other $$ like merchandise sales.
http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/uwire/112106abg.html
Edit: I just looked it up and the Big 10 does not get any extra share of the BCS money for having 2 teams in the championship game from what I can tell, but they would get a big boost in other $$ like merchandise sales.
http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/uwire/112106abg.html
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MuckFich06;676505; said:
It's a valid consideration, but keep in mind the Big Ten has some coaches voting as well.. not sure what the numbers are (in terms of which Conf. has more coaches voting)
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t_BuckeyeScott;676499; said:
He really sounded profetic until he said he didn't see Florida beating Arkansas
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Found on college Football News.....
Why Florida Should Play Ohio State
By Pete Fiutak
CollegeFootballNews.com
Posted Dec 2, 2006
Florida and Chris Leak beat Arkansas 38-28 to win the SEC Championship. According to the CFN Formula, which ranks the teams based on who had the best seasons, the Gators deserve to play for the national title. Not only isn't Michigan No. 2 in the CFN Formula, it's not third, or even fourth.
Who should play Ohio State for the national title? Michigan will most likely end up playing Ohio State in a rematch, but does it deserve it? According to the CFN Formula, which ranks teams based on what actually happened on the field and takes all subjectivity out of it, here are the rankings of four teams currently in the debate for the number two spot. This is NOT a ranking of which teams are the best or most talented. This is a formula to find out which teams had the best seasons based on who they played, who they beat, and who they lost to. We'll put out the entire 119-team ranking next week.
Out of Michigan, Florida, Louisville and Boise State ...
The Formula's Components:
1. Wins. - If you win, everything else falls into place. Each win counts as 1.
2. Quality Wins - The number of wins over teams that finished with a winning record. Each win counts as 1.
3. Elite Wins - The number of wins over teams that finished with two losses or fewer. Each win counts as 1 with a road win over an Elite team getting an extra 0.5. Also counting as 1 is a road win over a team that finished with three losses or fewer (but the extra 0.5 isn't added).
4. Bad Loss - The number of losses to teams that finished with three wins or fewer or a loss to a DI-AA team. Each loss counts as minus-1. Take away an additional 0.5 for a Bad Loss at home.
5. Bad Win - The number of wins to teams that finished with three wins or fewer, or a win over a D-IAA team. Each win counts as minus 0.25.
6. Elite Loss - The number of losses to teams that finished with two losses or fewer. Each loss counts as 0.25.
7. Point Differential - Points for minus points against divided by 100.
8. Winning Percentage - To take losses into account, winning percentage is in the mix.
1. Florida CFN Score: 24.92
Record: 12-1, Quality Wins: 7, Elite Wins 3, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 1, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 2, Winning % 0.92
2. Louisville CFN Score: 21.60
Record: 11-1, Quality Wins: 6, Elite Wins 1, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 1, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 2.68, Winning % 0.92
3. Boise State CFN Score: 21.11
Record: 12-0, Quality Wins: 5, Elite Wins 1, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 3, Elite Loss 0, Point Difference 2.86, Winning % 1.00
4. Michigan CFN Score: 20.54
Record: 11-1, Quality Wins: 4, Elite Wins 2.5, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 0, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 1.87, Winning % 0.92
[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]Case for Michigan[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]1. Michigan is generally acknowledged by almost everyone as the nation's second best team. Even when USC was ranked number two, that was more of a function of the voters preventing a rematch than it was a confirmation of the Trojans.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]2. The first game in Columbus didn't settle the issue in the minds of many. If you're a believer that home field advantage means three points, then Michigan and Ohio State are dead even. Now, many want to see what would happen on a neutral field. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]3. Going into this last weekend, Michigan played the nation's third toughest schedule behind Cincinnati and one other team which will go nameless for a moment. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]4. It's not like Florida showed great pizzazz getting to 12-1. There's a reason no one's been pushing the Gators for the national title; it has been a bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (Percy Harvin excluded). While style points shouldn't matter, Florida got sacked by Auburn in a 27-17 loss; the offense was shut down in the second half (but the defense was impressive). Michigan's one loss, of course, was as forgivable as it gets.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5. The offense should be every bit as good in a rematch with Ohio Stat, if not better. Mario Manningham was just getting back in the swing of things. One of the nation's best receivers, Michigan's offense is far more potent when he's 100% and rolling. Those 39 points and close to 400 yards of total offense weren't a fluke. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Case for Florida[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]1. Schedule, schedule, schedule. Going into the final weekend of the season, the Gators played the nation's toughest schedule, and it wasn't even close. The cumulative opposition winning percentage was 0.643. Number two Cincinnati was 0.622. That might not seem like much, but it is. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]2. The SEC deserves a break. Auburn got hosed in 2003 when USC and Oklahoma squared off for the national title. If you believe the SEC is the nation's toughest conference, then its champion should go in.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]3. Michigan didn't win it's own conference title. If you're the number two in your league, how is it possible, theoretically or practically, that you should be named the best team in the country? [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]4. Michigan beat an overrated Notre Dame team that had one win over a team with a pulse (Georgia Tech) and got by Wisconsin before the Badger offense, primarily the receivers, began to jell. Ohio State and Michigan basically fattened up their records against a horrible Big Ten while Florida ended up beating nine bowl teams and lost to one. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5. The defense is the real deal. The secondary might be a bit suspect, but the front seven, despite injuries, is rock-solid. Throw in a veteran quarterback like Chris Leak, and a head coach in Urban Meyer who doesn't lose when he gets more than two weeks to prepare, and you have a team more than good enough to not just challenge the Buckeyes, but beat them. Michigan had its chance, and lost. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Case for ... Boise State?![/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]1. 12-0. There are two teams in America without a loss. Boise State does play in Division-I, doesn't it? If there's no playoff and no chance to actually prove it on the field, you do have to consider all 119 teams for the title. It's time to pay more than lip-service when it comes to giving the "little guy" a shot.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]2. Michigan already lost to Ohio State and no one outside of the Gainesville metropolitan area is jazzed up about a Gator-Buckeye championship. If you ever wanted to see a team like Boise State get a shot, this should be it. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]3. The program deserves it. With 85 wins in eight years, it's not like this is some fluky, one-season wonder. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]4. Fine, so the schedule is awful getting to fatten up on WAC teams, but Boise State obliterated Oregon State 42-14, beat a very good Hawaii team 41-34, crushed Utah 36-3, and stomped on Nevada 38-7.The Broncos have shown up in big occasions all year long and played their best football. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5. George Mason! [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]
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Why Florida Should Play Ohio State
By Pete Fiutak
CollegeFootballNews.com
Posted Dec 2, 2006
Florida and Chris Leak beat Arkansas 38-28 to win the SEC Championship. According to the CFN Formula, which ranks the teams based on who had the best seasons, the Gators deserve to play for the national title. Not only isn't Michigan No. 2 in the CFN Formula, it's not third, or even fourth.
Who should play Ohio State for the national title? Michigan will most likely end up playing Ohio State in a rematch, but does it deserve it? According to the CFN Formula, which ranks teams based on what actually happened on the field and takes all subjectivity out of it, here are the rankings of four teams currently in the debate for the number two spot. This is NOT a ranking of which teams are the best or most talented. This is a formula to find out which teams had the best seasons based on who they played, who they beat, and who they lost to. We'll put out the entire 119-team ranking next week.
Out of Michigan, Florida, Louisville and Boise State ...
The Formula's Components:
1. Wins. - If you win, everything else falls into place. Each win counts as 1.
2. Quality Wins - The number of wins over teams that finished with a winning record. Each win counts as 1.
3. Elite Wins - The number of wins over teams that finished with two losses or fewer. Each win counts as 1 with a road win over an Elite team getting an extra 0.5. Also counting as 1 is a road win over a team that finished with three losses or fewer (but the extra 0.5 isn't added).
4. Bad Loss - The number of losses to teams that finished with three wins or fewer or a loss to a DI-AA team. Each loss counts as minus-1. Take away an additional 0.5 for a Bad Loss at home.
5. Bad Win - The number of wins to teams that finished with three wins or fewer, or a win over a D-IAA team. Each win counts as minus 0.25.
6. Elite Loss - The number of losses to teams that finished with two losses or fewer. Each loss counts as 0.25.
7. Point Differential - Points for minus points against divided by 100.
8. Winning Percentage - To take losses into account, winning percentage is in the mix.
1. Florida CFN Score: 24.92
Record: 12-1, Quality Wins: 7, Elite Wins 3, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 1, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 2, Winning % 0.92
2. Louisville CFN Score: 21.60
Record: 11-1, Quality Wins: 6, Elite Wins 1, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 1, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 2.68, Winning % 0.92
3. Boise State CFN Score: 21.11
Record: 12-0, Quality Wins: 5, Elite Wins 1, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 3, Elite Loss 0, Point Difference 2.86, Winning % 1.00
4. Michigan CFN Score: 20.54
Record: 11-1, Quality Wins: 4, Elite Wins 2.5, Bad Loss 0, Bad Win 0, Elite Loss 1, Point Difference 1.87, Winning % 0.92
[FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]Case for Michigan[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]1. Michigan is generally acknowledged by almost everyone as the nation's second best team. Even when USC was ranked number two, that was more of a function of the voters preventing a rematch than it was a confirmation of the Trojans.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]2. The first game in Columbus didn't settle the issue in the minds of many. If you're a believer that home field advantage means three points, then Michigan and Ohio State are dead even. Now, many want to see what would happen on a neutral field. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]3. Going into this last weekend, Michigan played the nation's third toughest schedule behind Cincinnati and one other team which will go nameless for a moment. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]4. It's not like Florida showed great pizzazz getting to 12-1. There's a reason no one's been pushing the Gators for the national title; it has been a bit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (Percy Harvin excluded). While style points shouldn't matter, Florida got sacked by Auburn in a 27-17 loss; the offense was shut down in the second half (but the defense was impressive). Michigan's one loss, of course, was as forgivable as it gets.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5. The offense should be every bit as good in a rematch with Ohio Stat, if not better. Mario Manningham was just getting back in the swing of things. One of the nation's best receivers, Michigan's offense is far more potent when he's 100% and rolling. Those 39 points and close to 400 yards of total offense weren't a fluke. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Case for Florida[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]1. Schedule, schedule, schedule. Going into the final weekend of the season, the Gators played the nation's toughest schedule, and it wasn't even close. The cumulative opposition winning percentage was 0.643. Number two Cincinnati was 0.622. That might not seem like much, but it is. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]2. The SEC deserves a break. Auburn got hosed in 2003 when USC and Oklahoma squared off for the national title. If you believe the SEC is the nation's toughest conference, then its champion should go in.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]3. Michigan didn't win it's own conference title. If you're the number two in your league, how is it possible, theoretically or practically, that you should be named the best team in the country? [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]4. Michigan beat an overrated Notre Dame team that had one win over a team with a pulse (Georgia Tech) and got by Wisconsin before the Badger offense, primarily the receivers, began to jell. Ohio State and Michigan basically fattened up their records against a horrible Big Ten while Florida ended up beating nine bowl teams and lost to one. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5. The defense is the real deal. The secondary might be a bit suspect, but the front seven, despite injuries, is rock-solid. Throw in a veteran quarterback like Chris Leak, and a head coach in Urban Meyer who doesn't lose when he gets more than two weeks to prepare, and you have a team more than good enough to not just challenge the Buckeyes, but beat them. Michigan had its chance, and lost. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]Case for ... Boise State?![/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]1. 12-0. There are two teams in America without a loss. Boise State does play in Division-I, doesn't it? If there's no playoff and no chance to actually prove it on the field, you do have to consider all 119 teams for the title. It's time to pay more than lip-service when it comes to giving the "little guy" a shot.[/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]2. Michigan already lost to Ohio State and no one outside of the Gainesville metropolitan area is jazzed up about a Gator-Buckeye championship. If you ever wanted to see a team like Boise State get a shot, this should be it. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]3. The program deserves it. With 85 wins in eight years, it's not like this is some fluky, one-season wonder. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]4. Fine, so the schedule is awful getting to fatten up on WAC teams, but Boise State obliterated Oregon State 42-14, beat a very good Hawaii team 41-34, crushed Utah 36-3, and stomped on Nevada 38-7.The Broncos have shown up in big occasions all year long and played their best football. [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif]5. George Mason! [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, sans serif][SIZE=-1]
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
MuckFich06;676505; said:
one other thing to consider. if tOSU and scum go to the national chamionship i will put money that the viewership of the nc will be the lowest it has been in over 10 years. thats nothing against scum, nor does it speak to who "deserves" to go more. i just don't see anyone outside of ohio or tsun being remotely interested in watching. bowl games are spread out over so many days and carefully scheduled as to not air at the same time for a reason. non fans of an involved team tune in to view national powerhouses who rarely/never play eachother collide. they tune in to watch david vrs. goliath. they don't tune in for reruns. we can sit here and lie to ourselves about how money has nothing to do with it. but if money truely had nothing to do with it we'd have a playoff by now and wouldn't be having his conversation...
on a slightly less related note... would it be possible for the big 10 to have 3 teams in the bcs? 2 in the nc and 1 in the rose bowl with wisky? *ponders*
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DallasBuckeye
All-American
watching OU and thinking how they got shafted in the Ducks Debacle. if not they'd have an argument to be in -- and I'd listen to it. Bob Stoopes is amazing. they lost Bomar, Peterson and are still playing great ball. Stoopes is a great coach. I think tOSU beats anybody that shows up in Arizona but I'm glad a Stoopes coached team isn't coming.
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