ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
cincibuck;2344102; said:
The radical hippy is not the issue here, Dude. We're talking about unchecked aggression, Dude....about drawing a line in the Eagleson Bill beyond which YOU DO NOT CROSS!
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The radical hippy is not the issue here, Dude. We're talking about unchecked aggression, Dude....about drawing a line in the Eagleson Bill beyond which YOU DO NOT CROSS!
ulukinatme
Old Skool
OSUK;2344094; said:
TBH I didn't think the recent news would have prompted him to resign. I'm sure there were other factors involved, but the world really has become too PC. Gee was great for the university, and I don't think the fact he was so well known was a bad thing. I think his commitment and drive to make the school succeed are why he was so well known, and not necessarily his unique personality. I can't name any other B1G president either, and I'm sure it's not for a lack of results on their part. Gee was just that good, 10 years ago this stuff wouldn't even have been news and he'd still be in office.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Gordon Gee's seat is not even cold, and so it begins.
This is the [Mark May] that I've been talking about. This is why we must never take our boot off the necks of the Fredo schools.......any wisp of oxygen, and they will use it to start spouting off bull[Mark May] like this.
Hey guess what King of The Juggalos........OHIO TRIED THIS [censored]ING BULL[Mark May] FOR TWENTY YEARS. It didn't work. Top students fled the state for private universities and other Big Ten campuses. I've seen the raw data (Fredo of Ohio's mythology not withstanding), and it was a key part of the presentation that Jennings/Celeste/Riffe used to win over Republicans in the legislature to turn their back on the still living Jim Rhodes' higher education legacy.
Ed Jennings and Gordon Gee understood this. Though one was a Mormon teetotaler and the other seemed to have a rocks glass of bourbon surgically attached to his right hand, they were one and the same on this vital issue.
[censored] Fredo. [censored] Fredo Now; [censored] Fredo Tomorrow; [censored] Fredo Forever.
This is the [Mark May] that I've been talking about. This is why we must never take our boot off the necks of the Fredo schools.......any wisp of oxygen, and they will use it to start spouting off bull[Mark May] like this.
Hey guess what King of The Juggalos........OHIO TRIED THIS [censored]ING BULL[Mark May] FOR TWENTY YEARS. It didn't work. Top students fled the state for private universities and other Big Ten campuses. I've seen the raw data (Fredo of Ohio's mythology not withstanding), and it was a key part of the presentation that Jennings/Celeste/Riffe used to win over Republicans in the legislature to turn their back on the still living Jim Rhodes' higher education legacy.
Ed Jennings and Gordon Gee understood this. Though one was a Mormon teetotaler and the other seemed to have a rocks glass of bourbon surgically attached to his right hand, they were one and the same on this vital issue.
[censored] Fredo. [censored] Fredo Now; [censored] Fredo Tomorrow; [censored] Fredo Forever.
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buckeyeintn
Legend
Does he not even understand the concept of flagship? By having several flagships, you have no flagship. He didn't have the balls to call it a redistribution of wealth, so he improperly used a metaphor.
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HorseshoeFetish
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ORD_Buckeye;2344212; said:
It seems that we have quite a few new members to BP. Would you mind going over who is who again in the "Fredo" category?
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
ORD_Buckeye;2344212; said:
Just to be fair, this is not coming from Miami or Ohio U., the two usual suspects in a 'fuck OSU' conspiracy.
For a long time UC's engineering and med school were ranked ahead of Ohio State's. Reversing those standings is part of the major change that Jennings, Gee and Holbrook (let's be fair about her role too) brought about. (You could also add that those two programs at Case - Western Reserve still out rank OSU's)
They (UC) still have a music school that out ranks Ohio State's and their Design Art and Architecture Program is one of the top programs nationally. They don't want to become Bowling Green, Wright State, Kent State and the two Fredos. It's a major part of why they have never wanted to be part of the MAC even though all of their programs except basketball belonged there.
IF Ohio had had the same attitude toward higher education that California had from the 40's thru the 90's - the attitude that created three schools of international renown - UC Berkeley, Cal Tech and UCLA - and three more schools of national renown, UC Davis, UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz, plus a strong set of community colleges, then having more than one flagship school might have worked.
At the time California was creating this system Ohio was in a much stronger population, economic and political situation than it is now.
By the same token, Texas has been very successful with one flagship for scholarship and a second for farmers and scary people. Same with Michigan and Virginia with less scary people at MSU and Va Tech.
At one point in time I think Ohio could have built a strong international program linking Cincinnati, Columbus and Cleveland through UC, OSU and CWRU. But much of the time when that was possible UC was a municipal college, CWRU was (and remains) an independent, highly selective school. Meanwhile Jim Rhodes was building dorms, but no classrooms and no money for faculty and forcing open enrollment - hey, it's how I got to be an alum- on Ohio State.
Given the current political climate of the state the idea of having one flag in Cincinnati and the other in Columbus is impossible - the funding simply isn't there. But your can't blame Zimpher for fighting for her own school.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
cincibuck;2344283; said:
Bringing up California is a good point. I think that distance, population and the Los Angeles megatropolis all mandated that UCLA grow to at least a peer of Berkeley. However, the system that Clark Kerr and Pat Brown established was very, very regulated which is the antithesis of what Millet and Rhodes set up (with the exception of letting Fredo of Ohio backdoor their way into selectivity through not building enough dorms for the baby boom explosion). California rigidly set up parameters as to what a UC, a Cal State and a community college could do. Even within the UC system there was a fairly strict and coordinated hierarchy.
That's the complete opposite of the free for all that occurred in Ohio. When I was at Ohio State, Ohio had more Ph.D programs in history, political science, physics and chemistry than California did--despite having a quarter of the population and a third the number of public 4-year campuses. It was wasteful, redundant and diluted the quality of the one institution capable of giving the citizens a flagship worthy of what they had in California or Michigan or Wisconsin or Texas.
I'm sure that Fredo of Ohio and Beavis Fredo thought that they would just cut off Ohio State at the knees and usurp the role that they believed had wrongly been denied them a century earlier. What it really accomplished was to set every four year campus free to try and turn themselves into Ohio State. Just as I'm certain that the Juggalo King thinks that all that will happen is that he'll get to split the pot with Ohio State, and everything else remains the same.
I would love to see a truly regulated higher education hierarchy in Ohio. Strickland and Kasich have made some real strides towards it, but we're not there yet. In such a system, I would have no problem with UC being designated a secondary research university, but it's pretty clear that Ono is talking about being a co-flagship with Ohio State. What follows? Clearly, Fredo and Beavis Fredo will demand their slice of the pie--after all, they were the older brothers and were passed ovuh. Then what about the NE and NW corners of the state? Gotta give them a flagship too....spread the peanut butter around as evenly as possible (as Herb Asher used to say).
In a decade, Ohio would be right back to where it was in the 70s, with an inefficient, redundant and mediocre state university system where all the public universities compete against each other to get to the top of the hill.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Muck;2344361; said:
UC Santa Cruz, Home of the Fightin' Banana Slugs, and a tennis powerhouse at one time...
And it just may be the prettiest campus in the US. They had the wisdom to buy lots of land between the campus and Highway 1 and put in housing for faculty to help defer the relationship between Professor's salaries and real estate near Santa Cruz. Now it's a place professors want to go to within the UC system.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
I'm quite familiar with the campus. My issue is with listing them as a school of 'national renown'.
Yes The University of California system has three campuses with international reputations:
UC Berkely
UCLA
UCSD
Cal Tech is private and not part of the UC system.
The next tier (in no particular order)...
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Santa Barbara
Then you come to the UC Santa Cruz, Riverside & San Franciscos of the system.
Finally you have UC Merced. Poor unloveable Merced.
Yes The University of California system has three campuses with international reputations:
UC Berkely
UCLA
UCSD
Cal Tech is private and not part of the UC system.
The next tier (in no particular order)...
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Santa Barbara
Then you come to the UC Santa Cruz, Riverside & San Franciscos of the system.
Finally you have UC Merced. Poor unloveable Merced.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Muck;2344384; said:
Actually, UCSF as an international research institution would be just behind UCB and UCLA. Not having any undergraduate functions and being largely restricted to a med school and medical related doctoral programs leaves them somewhat in the shadows. Where they are active, however, they are world class.
Other than that, I can't argue with your breakdown.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I just reread the The Juggalo King's article. He specifically calls for "multiple flagships."
History repeating itself as farce.
History repeating itself as farce.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
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CincyInterloper
Hall of Fame
buckeyeintn;2344240; said:
You mean redistribution of state taxes? I don't have a problem with OSU being the flagship university. You can only have one flagship, and it only makes sence that OSU be that flagship. I'd like to see OSU become a bigger better version of Stanford. That being said, OSU isn't entitled to 100% of the state university system budget. As much as you guys like to piss on UC, it's clearly the second largest state university in enrollment, endowment, and research dollars. I don't see what is so outrageous about president Ono lobbying for a bigger role for his university in the state university system.
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