E. Gordon Gee (President West Virginia U.)

[OH10]

Just because his statements defies your opinion on the subject doesn't mean it also defies common sense, so just stop already.

Let's break down just his comments on Boise/TCU:

1. Boise and TCU are in the FBS (I don't think anyone disputes that, right?).

2. He says they don't deserve to play for the FBS National Championship because they don't play a tough enough schedule.

3. Boise and TCU have made several overt attempts to schedule schools like Ohio State that wouldn't schedule them in a million years.

4. Instead, schools like Ohio State schedule 3-4 nonconference creampuffs a year, play a conference schedule that usually includes 3-4 more creampuffs in the conference. Overall, they usually have about 8 home games and never against any non-major conference school that could actually give them a scare.

5. Rinse, wash, repeat. If Gee then gets his way, TCU and Boise would NEVER get to play for the championship of the FBS, which they are part of... theoretically.

So either one of two things has to happen for his so-called system to make some common sense: 1) Boise and TCU need to leave the FBS, along with a bunch of other schools that can never win the title; or 2) the system needs to be taken apart. Either way, his position defies common sense.

 

[Bucklion]

Look at the bright side:

The MWC is going to get Boise, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii...The obvious best teams of the WAC. If they can add another decent team, they will have a good conference. The winner should arguably be allowed an AQ bid, given that I just can't see the MWC being any worse than the ACC or Big East. And for those that dislike TCU and Boise, they will likely have to play eachother for the conference title, thus eliminating at least one from a major bowl.

Say what you will, but the MWC has had a pretty decent bowl record, even against teams in AQ conferences.

Except they lose Utah and BYU, so they're right back where they started.

 

[Bucklion]

Actually, I meant to add Penn St. and Miami to the list. Pathetic opponents. Ohio State had two real games all year long in this ostensibly great college football regular season. Its a joke. Boise's schedule is a joke. TCU's schedule is a joke. If you look at the strength of schedule for all three of these teams, their opponents suck. So why is the President of Ohio State on his high horse?



He's only right because he's unintentionally pointing out the fatal flaw of the BCS system (besides, of course, the fact that it sucks): contenders play a bunch of cupcakes and a couple (maybe 2) real opponents and if they can somehow manage to win those two games, they still have to hope their wins were "pretty" enough to get them in. Its a step above Dancing w/ the Stars and a step below every other sport that has a playoff (which is just about every other sport).



Its a thread about Gordon Gee. He can't talk about college football w/out interjecting the whole "playoff vs. BCS" debate. Incidentally, I'm still waiting for someone to argue on behalf of a BCS-type system in every other sport that doesn't have one (which, again, is every other sport).



Not ridiculous. Gordon Gee realizes that the old BCS defenses don't work ("great" regular season that isn't so great afterall; tradition that doesn't exist when Wisconsin is playing TCU in the Rose Bowl), so he throws out this "professionalism" argument. I'm not even sure what he's supposed to be talking about. When you look at the entire picture of the Ohio State athletic department, the football team is the most professionalized team.



Not toeing the line. He's a grown man that makes more money in a year than I'll make in the next five. He's also very smart when it comes to anything outside of the topic of the BCS. But on this topic, his position defies common sense and it would be a shame if we couldn't point that out. If that's bashing, I'm sure he can take and I doubt he cares.

The only thing I might take issue here is with this part:

Take Boise out of the WAC and this is what you are left with: Hawaii, Nevada, Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State, San Jose State

Now...replace Boise with Penn State, Iowa, Northwestern, or even Illinois or Michigan...is there any of those teams you don't think they would beat? OK, Nevada spanked Cal and could probably give anyone a go at home at least, and there's the travel factor in playing at Hawaii, though they lost to USC and Colorado both...but otherwise, I see 6 easy, and I mean easy, conference wins, plus 2 games you might drop once in a while. So, any middling Big Ten team also wins the WAC basically every year, just like Boise State does. Does that mean Penn State or Northwestern are as good as Boise State? No, but it means they could basically do what they are doing with their conference schedule, so they shouldn't get any credit for it.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I agree with what he said but I just wish he wouldnt have taken the bait and fueled the Ohio State sucks crowd to come back out.... He has aggrivated me before with the whole "greatest victory" comment. Gee is a great University president but I feel like we started to lose get past the 06, 07 loss bullshit... here it comes again. I say this knowing full well it doesnt matter....... I would like to go to the Rose Bowl and play them now and just blast them so Gordon could go...."see"

 

[bassbuckeye07]

By the way lets say Boise's end of the year schedule looked like this.... a desperate Illini team at Illinois, @PSU, Purdue and wrap up with Iowa at home to end the season.........They could win all those but they could go 2 and 2..... I dont think they go unscathed especially if they play those teams year in year out. Take it a step further.... what if they go... at Arkansas, South Carolina at home, at Florida, Vandy at home then Auby in the SEC championship..... anyone think they go unscathed through that schedule???

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Not jumping on that train.

Gee's timing could have been better, but I agree entirely with what he said. I'm sick to death of the glorification of Boise State and TCU after they run a schedule of opponents outside the top 100 in the computer power ratings. "NC deserving" and "BCS bowl worthy" my arse.

I don't care how anyone in the media treats it. They have been so far up the rears of Boise State and TCU that you can only see the soles of their shoes.

Go Buckeyes! Beat Michigan!

youre analysis omits that its gee who says this. as polite as possible ill say gee is an attention whore, which almost always is a good thing, a guy who loves to go out, meet the people, schmooze the donors, visit all parts of ohio, etc. something i personally believe the flagship university needs in ohio. that being said, you cannot discount that he from time to time tends to go to the beach in a bright yellow bikini and do handstands for attention. this i believe is one of those cases. hes to smart, experience to be suckered into this. he provoked this commentary or knowingly inserted himself into the discussion. its either a stroke of brilliance or idiocy. like many things for high level leaders, it is a very fine line...

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Let's break down just his comments on Boise/TCU:

1. Boise and TCU are in the FBS (I don't think anyone disputes that, right?).

2. He says they don't deserve to play for the FBS National Championship because they don't play a tough enough schedule.

3. Boise and TCU have made several overt attempts to schedule schools like Ohio State that wouldn't schedule them in a million years.

4. Instead, schools like Ohio State schedule 3-4 nonconference creampuffs a year, play a conference schedule that usually includes 3-4 more creampuffs in the conference. Overall, they usually have about 8 home games and never against any non-major conference school that could actually give them a scare.

5. Rinse, wash, repeat. If Gee then gets his way, TCU and Boise would NEVER get to play for the championship of the FBS, which they are part of... theoretically.

So either one of two things has to happen for his so-called system to make some common sense: 1) Boise and TCU need to leave the FBS, along with a bunch of other schools that can never win the title; or 2) the system needs to be taken apart. Either way, his position defies common sense.

Jesus, Dude. Are you an Ohio State alum/fan or a Boise State fan. I'm having a hard time deciding. I know you're pretty passionate about wanting a playoff, but don't let it cross over into denigrating Ohio State and President Gee.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

FWIW, I'd be all for a home-and-home with truck driver u. on two conditions. First, there's a set and equal payout for both games...no taking a million dollar payout in Columbus and then giving us couch cushion change in Boise. Second, they're contractually obligated to wear orange or white jerseys in Boise....Period.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

FWIW, I'd be all for a home-and-home with truck driver u. on two conditions. First, there's a set and equal payout for both games...no taking a million dollar payout in Columbus and then giving us couch cushion change in Boise. Second, they're contractually obligated to wear orange or white jerseys in Boise....Period.

i dont understand that as a big deal. sparty does the same thing (matches jerseys to field).

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

i dont understand that as a big deal. sparty does the same thing (matches jerseys to field).

I do think it has to be a distraction for a team not used to it, particularly on that jarring, blue abortion of a field. If it truly is not an advantage, then get rid of the blue on blue. And Boise can shut it with regards to "it's their tradition." Ron Jeremy has genital warts older than their entire football program. They have no tradition.

I don't think Sparty's is an exact coordination as is the case with Boise. I know Oregon's is not, since they don't always wear all green, and their field is two tones of green anyways.

I'd just like to see the NCAA ban the practice.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

i dont understand that as a big deal. sparty does the same thing (matches jerseys to field).

I don't mind the jerseys, it's blue on blue on blue on blue.

I'm of the mindset that, if you use non-traditional field colors (Southern Idaho State, Eastern Washington), you should have to wear something that contrasts- pants/helmet/jersey. If only for the sake of opponent's film study.

 

[buxfan4life]

Let's break down just his comments on Boise/TCU:

1. Boise and TCU are in the FBS (I don't think anyone disputes that, right?). Agreed

2. He says they don't deserve to play for the FBS National Championship because they don't play a tough enough schedule. Wrong, he is referring to the BCS National Championship. There is nothing called the FBS National Championship. FBS refers to Football Bowl Subdivision. The two teams are part of the FBS, not the BCS. Way to read your opinion into what he said. Strike one.

3. Boise and TCU have made several overt attempts to schedule schools like Ohio State that wouldn't schedule them in a million years. This statement is only partially correct. They have shirked playing some of the big boys in years past because the big boys refuse to play in their small little stadiums in return. Fresno State has stepped up to the challenge, but these two have not. So, strike two.

4. Instead, schools like Ohio State schedule 3-4 nonconference creampuffs a year, play a conference schedule that usually includes 3-4 more creampuffs in the conference. Overall, they usually have about 8 home games and never against any non-major conference school that could actually give them a scare. First off, blame the Ohio Legislature for the Ohio, BGSU, Akron, etc. as it is mandated that Ohio State plays at least one of these a year. Second, most of the teams are scheduled out years in advance, so if they end up having an off year the year Ohio State plays them, well that is just how the cookie crumbles. All big time programs schedule their big OOCs years out, so it is a crap shoot if that team will still be a power the year they play. As for the EMUs and such, show me a team anywhere in FBS that doesn't schedule these types of teams at least once. So, on this note I am going to call strike three.

5. Rinse, wash, repeat. If Gee then gets his way, TCU and Boise would NEVER get to play for the championship of the FBS, which they are part of... theoretically. Yes, they are part of the FBS, but they are NOT part of the BCS. You see, these non-AQ conferences are being allowed to participate by certain rules in the BCS bowls. FBS does not equal BCS. You already struck out, so....

So either one of two things has to happen for his so-called system to make some common sense: 1) Boise and TCU need to leave the FBS, along with a bunch of other schools that can never win the title; or 2) the system needs to be taken apart. This statement shows that it is your opinion that Gee's statement is at odds with. These teams need to move to a BCS conference in order to make a case. These two "ultimatiums" you propose are strickly what you feel must happen, which makes it your opinion and not common sense.

Either way, his position defies common sense. Again, it defies your opinion, not common sense.

See bold

 

[jlb1705]

5. Rinse, wash, repeat. If Gee then gets his way, TCU and Boise would NEVER get to play for the championship of the FBS, which they are part of... theoretically.

Actually, they're trying to get into the BCS National Championship Game, not the FBS National Championship Game. Not everybody in FBS has a seat at that table, and with good reason.

Also, Dr. Gee is right about this. I don't care what people think about it on First Take or in any other compartments of the ESPN echo chamber, and neither should you.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I love Gordon Gee, but this is what he should have said....

Here's my thoughts on Boise State and TCU...[censored] 'em. Seriously [censored] THEM. Our only mistake was setting up this compromised, half-assed BCS system. It let these worthless little [censored]bags get a smell of the meat, and now they're demanding the right to sit at the head of the table and carve the god damned turkey. [censored] them.

Here's my proposal. Boise, TCU and all the rest of these [censored]box little community colleges can band together---and take the [censored]ing Big East with you---and set up your beloved playoff. Have the [censored] at it. In the meantime, the Big Ten, the Pac 10, the SEC, Big 12 and ACC will go back to our old bowl system and let the AP and Coaches polls crown our national championship on January 2nd.

Now we'll see who turns the television sets on. You or us? Now, we'll see who gets the sponsorship dollars. You or us? Now, we'll see where the blue chip athletes choose to play. You or us?

Got it, Boise? Oh yeah, go [censored] yourselves.

That's the response he should have given.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Actually, I meant to add Penn St. and Miami to the list. Pathetic opponents.

Penn State and Miami are pathetic opponents? I'd hate to see a schedule that was worthy of you.