E. Gordon Gee (President West Virginia U.)

[RugbyBuck]

GG is just keeping it real and saying what no one else (to my knowledge) at his level within the system has had the balls to say - (paraphrase) that those fcukers don't deserve to play in the game; that they might be good enough, but there's no way to know because they've played the weakest of the three OSUs.

Join a decent conference (probably happening) that has/deserves an AQ, play a real schedule or shut the fcuk up.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The only part of this that bothers me is going to be the perception that he was lobbying for Ohio State, which I don't believe to be the case. It was just Gordon being Gordon. He was asked a question, and he delivered an off the cuff, detailed outline of exactly what he thinks.

I hate that this will somehow be construed with what Patterson, Boysee and LSU are doing. I hate that it will be compared to Nebraska's shameless lobbying in 97 or Mack Brown doing the same thing to snatch the at large bid away from Cal a few years ago.

 

[BayBuck]

The only part of this that bothers me is going to be the perception that he was lobbying for Ohio State, which I don't believe to be the case. It was just Gordon being Gordon. He was asked a question, and he delivered an off the cuff, detailed outline of exactly what he thinks.

I hate that this will somehow be construed with what Patterson, Boysee and LSU are doing. I hate that it will be compared to Nebraska's shameless lobbying in 97 or Mack Brown doing the same thing to snatch the at large bid away from Cal a few years ago.

Headline: "The Biggest of the Big, Keeping Down the Little Guys Again --OSU bigwig clings to historical prevalence in face of progress"

 

[OH10]

I don't know who the Little Sisters of the Poor are but I'd take them over any of the following: Marshall, Ohio, Eastern "[censored]ing" Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, and yes, Michigan.

And he's only partially right. Boise and TCU don't play the gauntlet of the schedule as the other conference. Well no [censored] Sherlock. But you idiots set up this beauty pageant system and now you're [censored]ing stuck with it. Maybe (and this is just a maybe) if we put them through a playoff, they would then have to run the gauntlet. Nope, that [censored] makes too much sense.

And this "professionalism" nonsense kills me. Are we professionalizing every other competitive collegiate sport by having a playoff? Quick, someone tell Thad Matta to turn down that NCAA tournament invite this year. Let's pull the Ohio State soccer team out of the playoffs they are in right now. And, for the love of God, should we ever qualify for the College World Series, please tell the city of Omaha to go [censored] itself.

This is Ohio State. We don't professionalize our athletes. No sir. We just pander to boosters, who like to cozy up to players (some even like to sneak star quarterbacks [Smith] or running backs [Clarett] a little something on the side). And we sell tons of jerseys and game tickets at $70.00 a pop. We build expensive pro-style basketball arenas (that suck and lose money) so that we can have a great vacant college basketball arena to just sit there. Amatuerism!

Somebody tell Gordon Gee to shut up already.

 

[Zurp]

Who cares? Who's he pissing off?

Unintentionally, he's pissing off everyone who already dislikes Ohio State. People can use this as a "Ohio State is so dumb" argument. I don't think those people will even bother to see what Gee actually says, either.

 

[CentralMOBuck]

I do agree with what Gee is saying and people have been saying it forever. Maybe not people that are at such a high level in the sporting world. They were discussing this on First Take this morning. Jay Crawford was emphasizing the we as being Ohio State only. I think he's totally taking it out of context. I think Gee means the power conferences as a whole and their respective teams. Of course Skip Bayless has to say that Oregon State and Va Tech (Nevada to?) are not the little sisters of the poor and is completely ignoring what Gee really meant. That being the rest of their schedule. I would guess that even most of the bottom teams in the power conferences could handle their conference schedule rather easily as well.

This topic will never die though. Boise State and their fans are going to keep saying they deserve a shot regardless of how much of a joke their schedule is.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I don't know who the Little Sisters of the Poor are but I'd take them over any of the following: Marshall, Ohio, Eastern "[censored]ing" Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, and yes, Michigan.

And he's only partially right. Boise and TCU don't play the gauntlet of the schedule as the other conference. Well no [censored] Sherlock. But you idiots set up this beauty pageant system and now you're [censored]ing stuck with it. Maybe (and this is just a maybe) if we put them through a playoff, they would then have to run the gauntlet. Nope, that [censored] makes too much sense.

And this "professionalism" nonsense kills me. Are we professionalizing every other competitive collegiate sport by having a playoff? Quick, someone tell Thad Matta to turn down that NCAA tournament invite this year. Let's pull the Ohio State soccer team out of the playoffs they are in right now. And, for the love of God, should we ever qualify for the College World Series, please tell the city of Omaha to go [censored] itself.

This is Ohio State. We don't professionalize our athletes. No sir. We just pander to boosters, who like to cozy up to players (some even like to sneak star quarterbacks [Smith] or running backs [Clarett] a little something on the side). And we sell tons of jerseys and game tickets at $70.00 a pop. We build expensive pro-style basketball arenas (that suck and lose money) so that we can have a great vacant college basketball arena to just sit there. Amatuerism!

Somebody tell Gordon Gee to shut up already.

Honestly, there's a lot in what you write that I agree with. Ultimately though, I don't think the answer is more professionalism. Personally, I like the old bowl system. I like all the major bowl games on New Year's Day and waking up the next day to the final polls. I don't, however, think a playoff is the end of the world. I also don't think it's the most important issue in America, in higher education or even in college football itself.

Gee, as one of the most influential university presidents in America and one who was a leader at Vandy in attempting to institute some reforms, has a right to speak out on these issues. I just think his timing sucked, and he picked a fight that didn't need to be made at this very moment.

All that being said. Go Bucks. Fuck boysee.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Besides, every Boysee hater should be thanking Gee for the immeasurable amount of butthurt he has caused on Bronco Country. Panties are in knots. Semi-intelligible e-mails are hurtling through the interweb tubes towards Bricker Hall.

 

[CentralMOBuck]

Unintentionally, he's [censored]ing off everyone who already dislikes Ohio State. People can use this as a "Ohio State is so dumb" argument. I don't think those people will even bother to see what Gee actually says, either.

That's exactly the spin ESPiN is taking with this too. See my comment above about what was on First Take this morning.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I don't know who the Little Sisters of the Poor are but I'd take them over any of the following: Marshall, Ohio, Eastern "[censored]ing" Michigan, Minnesota, Purdue, and yes, Michigan.

Funny how you omit Miami (FL), Wisconsin, Penn St, Iowa. Do we really need to go through Boise's schedule and see who has more LSotPs?

And he's only partially right. Boise and TCU don't play the gauntlet of the schedule as the other conference. Well no [censored] Sherlock.

How is it that he's only partially right?

But you idiots set up this beauty pageant system and now you're [censored]ing stuck with it. Maybe (and this is just a maybe) if we put them through a playoff, they would then have to run the gauntlet. Nope, that [censored] makes too much sense.

Ah, I see--this is another excuse for you to get up on your soapbox about the whole playoff vs. bowl system.

And this "professionalism" nonsense kills me. Are we professionalizing every other competitive collegiate sport by having a playoff? Quick, someone tell Thad Matta to turn down that NCAA tournament invite this year. Let's pull the Ohio State soccer team out of the playoffs they are in right now. And, for the love of God, should we ever qualify for the College World Series, please tell the city of Omaha to go [censored] itself.

This is Ohio State. We don't professionalize our athletes. No sir. We just pander to boosters, who like to cozy up to players (some even like to sneak star quarterbacks [Smith] or running backs [Clarett] a little something on the side). And we sell tons of jerseys and game tickets at $70.00 a pop. We build expensive pro-style basketball arenas (that suck and lose money) so that we can have a great vacant college basketball arena to just sit there. Amatuerism!

Ridiculous hyperbole (realizing that is redundant).

Somebody tell Gordon Gee to shut up already.

Immature, not to mention toeing the line of bashing the OSU president.

 

[Steve19]

Not jumping on that train.

Gee's timing could have been better, but I agree entirely with what he said. I'm sick to death of the glorification of Boise State and TCU after they run a schedule of opponents outside the top 100 in the computer power ratings. "NC deserving" and "BCS bowl worthy" my arse.

I don't care how anyone in the media treats it. They have been so far up the rears of Boise State and TCU that you can only see the soles of their shoes.

Go Buckeyes! Beat Michigan!

 

[OH10]

Funny how you omit Miami (FL), Wisconsin, Penn St, Iowa. Do we really need to go through Boise's schedule and see who has more LSotPs?

Actually, I meant to add Penn St. and Miami to the list. Pathetic opponents. Ohio State had two real games all year long in this ostensibly great college football regular season. Its a joke. Boise's schedule is a joke. TCU's schedule is a joke. If you look at the strength of schedule for all three of these teams, their opponents suck. So why is the President of Ohio State on his high horse?

How is it that he's only partially right?

He's only right because he's unintentionally pointing out the fatal flaw of the BCS system (besides, of course, the fact that it sucks): contenders play a bunch of cupcakes and a couple (maybe 2) real opponents and if they can somehow manage to win those two games, they still have to hope their wins were "pretty" enough to get them in. Its a step above Dancing w/ the Stars and a step below every other sport that has a playoff (which is just about every other sport).

Ah, I see--this is another excuse for you to get up on your soapbox about the whole playoff vs. bowl system.

Its a thread about Gordon Gee. He can't talk about college football w/out interjecting the whole "playoff vs. BCS" debate. Incidentally, I'm still waiting for someone to argue on behalf of a BCS-type system in every other sport that doesn't have one (which, again, is every other sport).

Ridiculous hyperbole (realizing that is redundant).

Not ridiculous. Gordon Gee realizes that the old BCS defenses don't work ("great" regular season that isn't so great afterall; tradition that doesn't exist when Wisconsin is playing TCU in the Rose Bowl), so he throws out this "professionalism" argument. I'm not even sure what he's supposed to be talking about. When you look at the entire picture of the Ohio State athletic department, the football team is the most professionalized team.

Immature, not to mention toeing the line of bashing the OSU president.

Not toeing the line. He's a grown man that makes more money in a year than I'll make in the next five. He's also very smart when it comes to anything outside of the topic of the BCS. But on this topic, his position defies common sense and it would be a shame if we couldn't point that out. If that's bashing, I'm sure he can take and I doubt he cares.

 

[Mrstickball]

Look at the bright side:

The MWC is going to get Boise, Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii...The obvious best teams of the WAC. If they can add another decent team, they will have a good conference. The winner should arguably be allowed an AQ bid, given that I just can't see the MWC being any worse than the ACC or Big East. And for those that dislike TCU and Boise, they will likely have to play eachother for the conference title, thus eliminating at least one from a major bowl.

Say what you will, but the MWC has had a pretty decent bowl record, even against teams in AQ conferences.

 

[buxfan4life]

But on this topic, his position defies common sense and it would be a shame if we couldn't point that out.

Just because his statements defies your opinion on the subject doesn't mean it also defies common sense, so just stop already.

 

[TresselstillownsTSUN]

Who gives a shit? Dude just said what we all were thinking.