(Duplicate) Defensive Coordinator Luke Fickell (official thread)

[ScriptOhio]

Urban is a burnout. i don't want him. we'll be having another coaching search in five years if we hire him.
keep Luke and let him sort the O-staff out.
Bollman won't be fired. that's ridiculous and there's too much respect for him. but he will retire, and we'll see how valuable he really was.

Urban Meyer is is a proven winner, hire him. If as you say he will "burn out" in 5 years, it is a "no loose" situation. If we win a couple National Championships in those five years, great. It was well worth it. If he just "bombs out" (i.e. doesn't win anything) and leaves voluntarily in 5 years that's OK too; we don't have to fire him and pay him for any remaining years on his contract. I say go for it; and hire him.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Urban Meyer is is a proven winner, hire him. If as you say he will "burn out" in 5 years, it is a "no loose" situation. If we win a couple National Championships in those five years, great. It was well worth it. If he just "bombs out" (i.e. doesn't win anything) and leaves voluntarily in 5 years that's OK too; we don't have to fire him and pay him for any remaining years on his contract. I say go for it; and hire him.

And in five years you have another coaching search, whereas if you keep Fickell you have a head coach for 25-30 years. You don't know that Fickel won't win a national title or two himself in the next five years...

Fickell is only the sixth head coach in sixty years here...there is something to be said about program stability.

 

[ant80]

And in five years you have another coaching search, whereas if you keep Fickell you have a head coach for 25-30 years. You don't know that Fickel won't win a national title or two himself in the next five years...

Fickell is only the sixth head coach in sixty years here...there is something to be said about program stability.

Well... Ohio State used to be called the "graveyard of coaches"...

 

[MAINEiac Buckeye]

My issue with Luke is his inexperience as a head coach when it comes to recruiting. Other candidates, like everybodys favorite Urban Meyer, have a proven track record to all recruits. Selling yourself as the coach who is going to win championships, send kids to the Nfl, or make sure kids will graduate, is a hard sell without the proven record. There will be a lot of uncertainty with Luke in his first few years, but I still think he can get the job done.

But, Fick is the PRODUCT of a proven program and one of that program's top recruiters. The kids know who he is. Now he has his best bud in Mike V with 3 SB rings to flash around.

If Luke gets a contract for another year or two and makes a couple of nice staff changes the recruiting arena only gets better and it's not that bad atm. Any retired NFL Offensive players that would be a good addition to the crew?

I don't like Meyer for the same reason someone else mentioned. He's shown a tendency to bolt (twice for "health issues" now?).

Luke and this very young team look to be coming into their own and peaking at just the right time of the season (just like we all want to see), lets give him the props he deserves.

 

[buclife]

My issue with LF, is when it comes to him competing against other coaches for players who are truly undecided. LF doesn't have any "clout" as a head coach yet. It was easier for him to draw players to come play for Tressel, but how kids nationally are going to say they want to come to tOSU to play for LF? After a coouple years, I'm sure he will be able to recruit kids with no problem based on name, but he hasn't won anything yet. If we win the conference championship, then he'll have a lot more to show. If not, Hoke @ tsun will actually have more credibility than him as a head coach, and we don't even have to mention guys like Saban, Miles, Mack Brown, or Bob Stoopes.

 

[Zurp]

My issue with LF, is when it comes to him competing against other coaches for players who are truly undecided. LF doesn't have any "clout" as a head coach yet. It was easier for him to draw players to come play for Tressel, but how kids nationally are going to say they want to come to tOSU to play for LF? After a coouple years, I'm sure he will be able to recruit kids with no problem based on name, but he hasn't won anything yet. If we win the conference championship, then he'll have a lot more to show. If not, Hoke @ tsun will actually have more credibility than him as a head coach, and we don't even have to mention guys like Saban, Miles, Mack Brown, or Bob Stoopes.

Didn't people predict that Tressel wouldn't be able to recruit?

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Didn't people predict that Tressel wouldn't be able to recruit?

He also could not close.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

My issue with LF, is when it comes to him competing against other coaches for players who are truly undecided. LF doesn't have any "clout" as a head coach yet. It was easier for him to draw players to come play for Tressel, but how kids nationally are going to say they want to come to tOSU to play for LF? After a coouple years, I'm sure he will be able to recruit kids with no problem based on name, but he hasn't won anything yet. If we win the conference championship, then he'll have a lot more to show. If not, Hoke @ tsun will actually have more credibility than him as a head coach, and we don't even have to mention guys like Saban, Miles, Mack Brown, or Bob Stoopes.

There are defensive guys in this recruiting class that he has been recruiting last year and Defensive Coordinator. He has "clout" with these guys. He will get "clout" by beating teams like Wisconsin and Penn State in a few weeks. He will get clout by beating that team up north and making it to the B1G championship game.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

This is Ohio State. Take a walk through Ohio Stadium and Buckeye Grove, and that's your recruiting clout, not a brand name head coach or flashing Super Bowl rings like Charlie Weis.

 

[Bleed S & G]

This is Ohio State. Take a walk through Ohio Stadium and Buckeye Grove, and that's your recruiting clout, not a brand name head coach or flashing Super Bowl rings like Charlie Weis.

this.

 

[Joe6809]

This is Ohio State. Take a walk through Ohio Stadium and Buckeye Grove, and that's your recruiting clout, not a brand name head coach or flashing Super Bowl rings like Charlie Weis.

Okay, so to take your point a step further, you're basically saying you have to compare apples to apples. Flashing Super Bowl rings doesn't translate to BCS National Championship rings. Bringing in Charlie Weis, a guy who was a huge success at the pro level, didn't translate to BCS National Championship rings. What about Urban Meyer? Does having TWO BCS National Championship rings translate to winning BCS National Championship rings?

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Does having TWO BCS National Championship rings translate to winning BCS National Championship rings?

No. Bob Stoops, Mack Brown and Jim Tressel each have one ring a piece and this has not translated into a second. Not since Tom Osborne won three pre-BCS titles in the 90s has two rings translated into a third. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

 

[Joe6809]

if you keep Fickell you have a head coach for 25-30 years.

Yeah, but, we don't know how good he really is. He beat Wisconsin, but he got outplayed by Toledo. On the other hand, we know Meyer is among the best in the game right now, if not the best. So yeah, we'd get more miles out of Fickell, but what if they're mediocre miles? I'd rather risk Meyer only being around for 5 or so years and making us the best school in the country again, than hope Fickell reaches Meyer's potential.

 

[Joe6809]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

True, but he's had three head coaching jobs in his career. He turned BGSU into a winner. He turned Utah into the first BCS buster. And he turned Florida into the best team in the game, twice. I'd say there's a high probability he isn't a fluke.

 

[buckeyeintn]

True, but he's had three head coaching jobs in his career. He turned BGSU into a winner. He turned Utah into the first BCS buster. And he turned Florida into the best team in the game, twice. I'd say there's a high probability he isn't a fluke.

And he's left a school unexpectedly for health related issues. That doesn't raise a red flag?

I'm not saying definitely no to Meyer, I'm saying you need to look at the entire picture, and there is some baggage with health and player arrest issues.