Duke lax and accusations

[scooter1369]

news reporting no dna matches made between the 46 lax players and the samples taken from the accuser.

If she lied, she just made it that much harder on the next girl who is raped

Attorneys: No DNA Match in Duke Scandal
By TIM WHITMIRE, Associated Press Writer
11 minutes ago



There is no DNA match between members of Duke University's men's lacrosse team and an exotic dancer who told police she was raped at a team party, attorneys for the team said Monday.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charged have been filed in the case.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith.

The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at nearby North Carolina Central University, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.

Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested.

 

[akronbuck]

on espn just now, tests were negative for any of those players so whats the media going to say now

So if I were those guys I would call O.J for some therapy

I hate rapist more then anything but, to have to go through this kinda stuff is hell if it was either true/false.

 

[Bucklion]

Something just doesn't add up here.

 

[buckeye247]

Why would anyone trust a stripper.

 

[Folanator]

Why would anyone trust a stripper.

...and what sounds like a wasted one at that.

These kids could be guilty as hell. But it sure looks like that I believe their story more and more as the evidence comes in.

OK, so if this girl is lying, Duke just threw the #1 team in the country under the bus for what again? I know that you do not throw racial slurs to anyone EVER, and that drunk strippers are probably a no no, but that is not a reason to cancel the season. What a mess.

This is reason #1 why you have to let the wheels of justice turn and not make rash decisions even if you take some heat. I am sure that the administration will come up with some BS about we had to err on the side of safety. I hope the kids parents sue the shit out of them.

 

[Bucklion]

Why would anyone trust a stripper.

Just because she's a "dancer" doesn't give anyone the right to assault her (I know you didn't say that). She has as much right to be protected under the law as anyone else. Now, if it turns out she lied, then she should be punished herself, in my opinion, no doubt about it. I just don't see the motivation here...she's not going to get any money, the press she will get and has gotten isn't exactly overwhelmingly positive...I just don't see it. Hopefully it will all come out in the end.

As for Duke, well, everyone hates administrators...no matter what they do. Certainly, the sense of entitlement and the disturbing e-mail by one player indicate there is at least somewhat of a problem...I don't know, it was a no-win situation. There's NO WAY they could have done nothing...if players weren't punished immediately, and it turned out there was a gang rape, that the rest of the team basically was complicit in allowing to happen, the University's reputation would have been irreparably damaged, not to mention there would have been a riot amongst the female students and neighboring community. I don't know...it's a toughie.

 

[methomps]

OK, so if this girl is lying, Duke just threw the #1 team in the country under the bus for what again? I know that you do not throw racial slurs to anyone EVER, and that drunk strippers are probably a no no, but that is not a reason to cancel the season. What a mess.

Because they don't make any money for the university and they embarrassed the university horribly. Even without the rape, you still have a stripper party with underage drinking, racial slurs (reported by bystanders, not the stripper), and that email (enough said).

 

[tmporter]

Yes she has rights, but what about the rights of the accused? They sure do lose more than than the "false" accuser. And while something may have happened there, I would say the evidence is mounting in the players favor.

Don't get me wrong i am 100% for the accuser to be given ever right and protection, but my question has always been with how the media and the school handled this story and issue

 

[Folanator]

Not that tough BL. Forfeit the games till the data is in. Play the game with the JV or Club team. There were a ton of options other than fire the coach and cancel the season.

Here is my question. Say that ol JJ Reddick and a few teammates would have been accused of the same thing, think that 'ol Mikee K. would have been immediately fired and the season cancelled?

No, they just shot the Lax team before they had enough information because it was easier than doing the right thing. Waiting till they knew what the fuck happened (and we still don't).

 

[Bucklion]

Yes she has rights, but what about the rights of the accused? They sure do lose more than than the "false" accuser. And while something may have happened there, I would say the evidence is mounting in the players favor.

Don't get me wrong i am 100% for the accuser to be given ever right and protection, but my question has always been with how the media and the school handled this story and issue

Well, this is really not the thread to get into a big debate over "accusor versus accused" so we probably shouldn't. In this particular case, I feel they had to treat it as legit, particularly given the surrounding circumstances, until proven otherwise. If that happens, so be it. I don't have a huge problem with the University's response, and I don't think the coach would have resigned if he didn't think there was some type of lack of institutional control he was responsible for...rape or not.

 

[Bucklion]

Not that tough BL. Forfeit the games till the data is in. Play the game with the JV or Club team. There were a ton of options other than fire the coach and cancel the season.

Here is my question. Say that ol JJ Reddick and a few teammates would have been accused of the same thing, think that 'ol Mikee K. would have been immediately fired and the season cancelled?

No, they just shot the Lax team before they had enough information because it was easier than doing the right thing. Waiting till they knew what the fuck happened (and we still don't).

My understanding was that the coach resigned. Yes, we can get into the semantics of a forced resignation or whatever, but they didn't actually "fire" him, which raises some question in my mind. Also, like it or not, there were 40+ members of the team (Reddick only has 12 or so by comparison) drinking underage, hiring strippers, who they then hurled epithets at. And then of course there's the "skinning" e-mail. These events are worthy of discipline regardless...are they not? Cancelling the season is very extreme, I agree, and they probably should have handled that differently...but I think they sensed they had lost control of the entire situation, and they felt they had to do it.

 

[OSUsushichic]

I have a feeling the punishment handed down by the university stems from problems in the past as well as the present. The Duke administration wants to send the message that this behavior will no longer be tolerated.

 

[Folanator]

Because they don't make any money for the university and they embarrassed the university horribly. Even without the rape, you still have a stripper party with underage drinking, racial slurs (reported by bystanders, not the stripper), and that email (enough said).

Common Thomps. No way. They did not embarrass the University, this apparent fabricated situation did. It sounds like the rape never took place.

So you are telling me that having a stripper over at a college party is National News and worthy of pulling a teams year?

Yes they were drinking, BFD.

The e-mail is sick and that dude should be gone from the school, but not the team.

But that does NOT excuse the school from giving the death sentence to a team and 45 kids for underage drinking and seeing a stripper? Shit Boone did worse than this by underage drinking and driving. Should he be gone for good?

Just because the school got embarrassed is not a reason to justify their actions because it does not appear the crime matches the punishment.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

This is reason #1 why you have to let the wheels of justice turn and not make rash decisions even if you take some heat. I am sure that the administration will come up with some BS about we had to err on the side of safety.

Eh, but when JoePa lets Michael Robinson play after being accused of assaulting a police officer, or when Bobby Bowden lets a guy play, even when he is accused of something, or when Bill Snyder lets Roberson playing even though he has been accused of sexual assault, it is because they ar eonly interested in winning football games. The university is in a lose/lose situation as far as PR from the situation.

If they don't suspend the season immediately, there is a huge uproar about over-privileged youth and underlying racism. Even if the players end up innocent, the media and protestors will still remember the lack of immediacy in handling the situation.

If they suspend the season immediately, they have people accusing them of disregarding the legal system and taking justice into their own hands. "So much for innocent 'til proven guilty." Etc, etc.

I'd rather they take a decisive action and stick to their guns rather than be wishy-washy about and let the media and protesters push the university into an action which may not be apropos for the situation. The university ought to be making a decision based on fact, not based upon the media's portrayal of fact and the demands of protesters who know ZERO about what actually happened in that house that night.

EDIT - Jeez. I missed all of page two before posting this. Sorry if I am reiterating some points.

 

[Bucklion]

Eh, but when JoePa lets Michael Robinson play after being accused of assaulting a police officer, or when Bobby Bowden lets a guy play, even when he is accused of something, or when Bill Snyder lets Roberson playing even though he has been accused of sexual assault, it is because they ar eonly interested in winning football games. The university is in a lose/lose situation as far as PR from the situation.

If they don't suspend the season immediately, there is a huge uproar about over-privileged youth and underlying racism. Even if the players end up innocent, the media and protestors will still remember the lack of immediacy in handling the situation.

If they suspend the season immediately, they have people accusing them of disregarding the legal system and taking justice into their own hands. "So much for innocent 'til proven guilty." Etc, etc.

I'd rather they take a decisive action and stick to their guns rather than be wishy-washy about and let the media and protesters push the university into an action which may not be apropos for the situation. The university ought to be making a decision based on fact, not based upon the media's portrayal of fact and the demands of protesters who know ZERO about what actually happened in that house that night.

EDIT - Jeez. I missed all of page two before posting this. Sorry if I am reiterating some points.

I thought it was Rashard Casey who was supposed to have assaulted a police officer? Anyway, your point is dead on in my opinion.