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Duke lax and accusations

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Brutus1 said:
Fortunately, with DNA testing, they should have no trouble identifying the 3
rapists.

I'm no journalism major, but found it interesting that the first article in this thread, capitalized the W in white and B in black, every time either were mentioned. None of the other articles capitalized either. I was just wondering
if there is a reason they were capitalized , other than the fact that BET was the original news article and was going for a racially slanted article ?

I somehow believe that the alleged pigs would have done the same to a white stripper.
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Good pick up on the Black/White thing. Coming from BET, I guess I'm not surprised.
 
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Folanator said:
Rugby Buck, what is that tournement near lake placid in July? Saranac Lake? They absolutly destroy that town.
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Yes, Saranac. I've somehow missed that one and my raucous mayhem days are dwindling. I even missed Savannah this year.

I kind of regret never taking up lax. My grandfather played at Hopkins back in the 1920's and I heard all about it growing up. There was no such thing in Atlanta in the 70's/80's, though. Now it's booming here.
 
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My Dad played at Yale, but then again we are arrogant racist white people so what do you expect?

I hate that argument that just because not many AA's play lax (insert golf and tennis) then it must be racist.
 
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Jokes aside, I think it is important to not forget that the charges that have been made were not made on racial grounds, except in identifying the alleged rapists. Drunken mayhem and fun is one thing. Rape is another thing. These are really serious charges and, if true, there should be some serious consequences.
 
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Agreed. But as always, I have a tendency to approach rape charges with skepticism. Too often, they're bogus and the chic was looking for a pay out of some sort.

So my first reaction is always "What do the accused have that the accuser wants."

Horrible, I know. But my brother went through this. He wouldn't leave his wife for some chic, so she accused him of rape. He spent two days in jail waiting for his arraignment. His name was plastered on all the papers and the ladies in his office refused to communicate with him for months waiting to resolve the issue.

When he was absolved, half the women in the office thought it was a travesty that he wasn't convicted and left.
 
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It gets more interesting.

Dancer was impaired, attorney says
Monday, April 10, 2006
Samuel Spies
ASSOCIATED PRESS
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DURHAM, N.C. — Time-stamped photographs will show an exotic dancer was already injured and "very impaired" when she arrived at a party where she claims she was raped by members of Duke University’s men’s lacrosse team, an attorney for one of the players said yesterday.
Durham attorney Bill Thomas said some of the photographs, taken when she arrived at the house, indicate the woman was injured before getting to the party on March 13. They show extensive bruises and scrapes on her legs, especially around the knees, he said.
"This young lady was substantially impaired. She had fallen several times during the course of the evening," Thomas said.
He declined to identify the player he represents and said he would not release the photos, taken by at least two cameras, until pending DNA tests are completed. He also wouldn’t say whether the photos were taken by a lacrosse team member or someone else; court documents have indicated that only team members were at the party.
No one has been charged, but the allegations that members of the nearly all-white team raped the woman, a black student at a nearby university, have rocked both Duke and Durham.
The allegations have led to the resignation of coach Mike Pressler, the cancellation of the lacrosse season and the suspension of one player from school.
Several dozen people gathered yesterday outside the house where the party took place and pledged to return each Sunday until the case is resolved.
"Whether I want to believe it, or whether you want to believe it, something took place in there," said Johnny Williamson, 36, of Durham. "Something indecent took place." District Attorney Mike Nifong, who was expected to return this week from an out-of-town conference and has not commented on the case in the past several days, has said previously he is confident a rape occurred. Court documents said a medical exam of the alleged victim found injuries consistent with sexual assault.
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Steve19 said:
Jokes aside, I think it is important to not forget that the charges that have been made were not made on racial grounds, except in identifying the alleged rapists. Drunken mayhem and fun is one thing. Rape is another thing. These are really serious charges and, if true, there should be some serious consequences.
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Disagree here Steve. Every CNN story is white Duke Lax Players and a Black female dancer. In the 911 tape of the girls that were passing the house calling in the disturbance says the players called then the N word.

This would not be as big of a deal with out the racial overtones, and it is a huge deal.

It just seems to me that once again the public has already convicted the men involved with very little information. I am not saying that they did not do it and more. I just want to have more information before I am sure that they are racist sex offenders. For all I know she could have been paid for sex or agreed to do it for free and then changed her mind after the fact. She was a stripper right?

If she is lying should there be serious consequences?
 
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Folanator said:
If she is lying should there be serious consequences?
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Absolutely. If she is lying about the incident (non-incident), she has ended one man's career as coach, cancelled an entire season of a sport that these kid are earning their scholarships performing, drug the names of 47 kids through the mud, and tarnished the reputation of not just the Athletic Director, but the Department of Athletics and Duke University as a whole.

If she is lying, I could see several legit civil suits as well as a criminal case against her for falsifying a police report.
 
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scooter1369 said:
Absolutely. If she is lying about the incident (non-incident), she has ended one man's career as coach, cancelled an entire season of a sport that these kid are earning their scholarships performing, drug the names of 47 kids through the mud, and tarnished the reputation of not just the Athletic Director, but the Department of Athletics and Duke University as a whole.

If she is lying, I could see several legit civil suits as well as a criminal case against her for falsifying a police report.
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Absent an admission that she was lying, you are going to find it very difficult to prove in a civil court, let along in a criminal court. An acquital or the absence of charges against anyone relating to her allegations would not even be close to sufficient for either.

Furthermore, the coach and the university would have no cause of action because she didn't make any allegation against either.

And finally, I doubt she has enough money to be worthy of filing a suit against. Again, this is an assumption based on the fact that she is, indeed, willing to take her clothes off for money.
 
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Folanator said:
Disagree here Steve. Every CNN story is white Duke Lax Players and a Black female dancer. In the 911 tape of the girls that were passing the house calling in the disturbance says the players called then the N word.

This would not be as big of a deal with out the racial overtones, and it is a huge deal.

It just seems to me that once again the public has already convicted the men involved with very little information. I am not saying that they did not do it and more. I just want to have more information before I am sure that they are racist sex offenders. For all I know she could have been paid for sex or agreed to do it for free and then changed her mind after the fact. She was a stripper right?

If she is lying should there be serious consequences?
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Actually, we are in agreement, I think.

My point is that her allegations were about rape, not racial issues, in the suit and implicitly, that we need to be careful about taking sides here. I am not saying that her allegations are true.

The 911 call has arisen since my post and is alleged to be the other dancer, but it may not be. Perhaps racial taunting did happen? Maybe this all is a set up? Whatever, if the complainant was paid and changed her mind, then it still is rape.

Allegations of sexual impropriety are very potent and their effects long lasting on those who are accused. I decline, for instance, to see female students with an office door closed, because of the possible accusations that might arise. It's an ugly world in which the good guys and bad guys get mixed up a lot and I don't want myself, or BP, to be mixed up in perceptions that we are insensitive to rape.

I will reserve judgement until the matter is resolved one way or the other. Of course the defense will say she is lying. If she truly is, then these people will have been falsely charged and yet will be unlikely to recoup anything for the damage she will have caused them. If she is not, then she will deserve justifiable compensation.
 
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I see your point.

I guess there is a blurred line between the participants and how the media is reporting the incident.

The facts seem to be two fold.
  • First, there was a rape that was alleged to have taken place.
  • Second, the 911 call was the result of racial slurs thrown at other woman of color outside of the house during or after the Lax party. These woman knew nothing of the alledged rape.
Two separate incidents that are being melded together by the media because of timing and the race of the stripper.
 
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