Duke lax and accusations

[sandgk]

yeah, because it's the same thing we're talking about here.

It's getting ridiculous to me that people have chosen sides on who they believe, or more likely, who they want to believe in this Duke case. It's absurd.

I was meaning that Hussein is an excellent example of a fellow who indulged in an execution, with or without trial.

As for who to believe - none of the above. The truth may out.

 

[OH10]

To be fair, I think at least some people (like me) aren't judging the actual people in the case (I don't know who lied when, or if), but are instead just looking at the fact that there already looks like pretty reasonable doubt, which of course is the standard by whivh the court will judge them too. Now of course, there could be evidence we don't have or know about, but when you consider the DNA so far, the timeline, the cab driver, the pictures, the receipts, the description of her as intoxicated, and the fact that the police were trying to get the people who were and weren't at the party because they were afraid she might ID someone that wasn't there...that looks like a lot of questions, and I for one am not sure how you overcome all of that to avoid reasonable doubt.

Now if that's "trying the case" by looking at the evidence, then I guess I'm guilty, but I'm not saying she is lying, or that she wasn't raped, or that she was for that matter...merely that the circumstances all make it awfully difficult to believe that there is any way a particular individual can or will be held responsible for this event...whatever happened, and I don't think that is being unreasonable or unfair in my analysis.

Honestly, I'm not buying any of what I'm hearing from lawyers or the media about this case. An alibi defense only stands up if your witnesses are willing to put their hands on the good lord's book and swear to it, with some credibility. An allegation only stands up if you have sufficient corroborating evidence to back it up. All of this will come out in court, if it gets that far.

I have my questions about this prosecutor, and I think he should have removed himself from this case by now. But you can't file charges ethically without at least a good faith belief that you could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. If the evidence the prosecutor has before him is presented to the state disciplinary counsel, and they determine he filed the charges in bad faith, he could lose his law license. I'm not saying that means there's enough evidence. Certainly, there are serious questions about the DA's motive. But that there could very possibly be evidence in this that the media and the public are not aware of.

I'd much rather see how this thing plays out than put my foot in my mouth by saying they're guilty or innocent based on media reports or leaks by attorneys. As far as the reliability scale goes, the media and lawyers are generally very low.

 

[Steve19]

Well, one thing is for sure, witness number two is very much NOT the credible witness! My goodness!

 

[sandgk]

The Continuing Trial by Media

Pot Kettle Black - both sides continue their efforts in the press.

Now it is the Defense Atty's time.
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Lawyer rips D.A. over Duke lacrosse case

AARON BEARD
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<!-- begin body-content -->DURHAM, N.C. - An attorney representing a Duke University lacrosse player accused of rape demanded the district attorney's removal from the case Monday and accused him of using it to help his election prospects.
District Attorney Mike Nifong faces a primary election Tuesday that could decide whether he remains in office. He has denied any political motivation behind his aggressive investigation.
"They don't want to go up against me," Nifong said when asked outside court Monday about the defense request for his removal.
In one of several motions filed Monday, defense attorney Kirk Osborn, who represents indicted lacrosse player Reade Seligmann, wrote of Nifong: "He created an actual conflict between his professional duty to search for the truth and his personal, vested interest in getting elected."
Osborn also asked the court to throw out the photo identifications made by the accuser, a 27-year-old student at a nearby university who had been hired to strip at a March 13 lacrosse team party, where she says she was beaten and raped.
He called the police photo lineup "unnecessarily suggestive and conducive to irreparable mistake and misidentification" because the accuser was only shown photos of lacrosse players. Osborn said Nifong was improperly involved in the lineup and led police to violate their own policies.
A grand jury last month indicted Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault of the exotic dancer. The woman said she was attacked by three men, and Nifong has said he hopes to charge a third person soon.
Defense attorneys have strongly proclaimed the players' innocence, often citing DNA tests they said failed to connect the accuser and the lacrosse players tested.
Osborn's filings also included evidence and affidavits supporting a timeline the defense says proves Seligmann wasn't at the party long enough to have committed the assault described by the accuser.
In recent days, the defense has been attacking the accuser's credibility.
Osborn's motions referenced a 1996 rape allegation made by the woman, which did not lead to any charges, and a report she made in 1998, in which she accused her then-husband of threatening to kill her. Osborn's motion said she later failed to appear at a court hearing on the complaint, which was dismissed.
"Their way of trying a case in the media is not to call press conferences, but to simply file motions and court papers that contain outrageous or false statements and assume that people will report them as if they were facts," Nifong said.
Osborn also filed motions seeking to reduce Seligmann's bond, now set at $400,000, to no more than $40,000; to obtain access to the accuser's cell phone records; and to order the state to save all DNA samples.
The case has drawn protests and unwanted attention to the Duke campus. On Monday, Duke police prevented a small group of New Black Panther Party members from coming on campus to protest. Malik Shabazz, the group's national director, said the protesters want to walk silently through campus without causing any disruption.
Nifong, a nearly three-decade veteran of the prosecutor's office, was appointed district attorney last year and is seeking election for the first time in Tuesday's Democratic primary. The winner likely will be the next district attorney since no Republicans are running; if no candidate gets at least 40 percent of the vote, the top two will advance to a May 30 runoff.
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DURHAM, N.C. -- The district attorney prosecuting two Duke University athletes on rape charges fought off two challengers in the Democratic primary Tuesday and vowed to continue pursuing the headline-grabbing case.
"The case continues to go forward," said Mike Nifong, who insisted the election had not become a referendum on his handling of the investigation into rape allegations involving the school's lacrosse team.
"There is no way to tell if it hurt or helped," Nifong said. "I really felt like I was by far the best candidate. ... I'm glad that the people of Durham agree with me."
In unofficial results, Nifong had 11,168 votes, or 45 percent. Challenger Freda Black was close behind with 10,269 votes, or about 42 percent. There are no Republicans running in the general election, and Nifong needed only 40 percent of the vote to avoid a runoff.
Some voters agreed with Nifong, saying it was unfair to judge the veteran prosecutor on just one case, even if it has drawn intense media scrutiny to Durham and Duke University, by far the largest employer in the county.
Nita Wiggins, a retired Durham city employee, said she voted for Nifong.
"I don't agree with some of the decisions he's made in the case, but I have to believe that he's doing what he feels is correct," Wiggins said. "I still wish he hadn't ... answered any questions [from the media] because it just kind of makes us look bad, and we're really not a racially divided town."
Other voters were critical of Nifong, who initially talked openly about the investigation and at one point labeled some players "hooligans" and boldly predicted DNA test results would identify the guilty athletes.
Defense attorneys said those tests failed to find a match between the accuser and any player tested.
"I don't think he did his job," said Antonia Weeks, a writer who has lived in Durham for 29 years. "I don't know who did what, and I'm not pretending to know, but I've seen a lot of cases handled in this community, and I've never seen one handled this way before."
Duke canceled the remainder of the season for the highly ranked team last month following allegations that a black woman was raped and beaten by three white men at a team party where she had been hired to dance.
A grand jury has indicted two players on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault. Nifong has said he hopes to charge a third person.
Nifong, who has been a prosecutor for nearly three decades, was appointed district attorney last year after his predecessor became a judge.
There is slight chance Nifong could face a challenger in November. Unaffiliated candidates have until June 30 to submit petitions signed by 4 percent of registered voters in Durham County, or about 6,300 people, to win a spot on the fall ballot. Write-in candidates must file petitions by Aug. 9.

 

[Folanator]

Updated: April 28, 2006, 2:44 PM ET
Accuser claimed she was raped in 1996 report


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District Attorney Mike Nifong said North Carolina's rape shield law lists "narrowly defined categories" under which evidence of an accuser's past sexual history is allowed as evidence. The court must hold a hearing to determine if the evidence meets those categories and to decide how it can be presented.
"In short, the jury that decides this case may or may not hear the 'evidence,"' Nifong said.
"The media are not bound by the same rules that govern our courts," he said. "Their decisions on what to report and how they report it [can] have a substantial impact on the ability of our system to effectuate justice. That impact is often positive. Unfortunately, it can also be negative."
In the 1996 report, the woman claims she was raped and beaten by three men when she was 14 years old. Authorities said none of the men named in the report was ever charged with sexual assault in nearby Granville County, where the woman said she was attacked.
Nifong's office contacted Creedmoor police Friday morning, seeking information about the incident report, said Mayor Darryl Moss. He and police Chief Ted Pollard said officials there are continuing to look for additional records, but have so far been unable to locate any other paperwork.
Relatives told Essence magazine in an online story this week that the woman declined to pursue the case out of fear for her safety.
A phone number for the accuser has been disconnected, and her father said Thursday night he remembered little about the incident except going with police to a home where he said his daughter was being held "against her will."
The existence of the earlier rape report surprised defense attorneys in the Duke case, who have sought information about the woman's past for use in attacking her credibility.
"That's the very first I've heard of that," said Bill Cotter, the attorney for indicted lacrosse player Collin Finnerty. He declined additional comment.
Finnerty and fellow Duke player Reade Seligmann are charged with first-degree rape, kidnapping and sexual assault and face a hearing May 15.
The accuser is a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University in Durham who told police she was hired to dance at a March 13 party.
Seligmann's legal team earlier this week filed a motion seeking her medical, legal and education records. The lawyers also asked for a pretrial hearing to determine if she is credible.
On Friday, Cotter filed a motion seeking all material related to the case, including witness and defendant statements, tests and examination results, investigators' notes and any potentially exculpatory evidence.
According to the Creedmoor police report in August 1996, when the woman was 18, she told officers she was raped and beaten by three men "for a continual time" in 1993. She told police she was attacked at an "unspecified location" on a street in Creedmoor, a town 15 miles northeast of Durham.
Asked Thursday if she was sexually assaulted, her father said, "I can't remember." In an interview with the News & Observer of Raleigh, posted Thursday night on the newspaper's Web site, he said the men "didn't do anything to her."
The report lists the names of the three men, but no other details.
Durham police Officer Brian Bishop, who interviewed the accuser in 1996 while working on the Creedmoor force, said Thursday he had a vague recollection of the report. He said he could not remember any details. Reached Friday, Bishop said he could no longer discuss the case.
Before Seligmann and Finnerty were indicted, attorneys for the players pointed to the accuser's criminal history when answering questions about their clients' legal troubles. The woman pleaded guilty to several misdemeanors in 2002.

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[Folanator]

Good article that seems to give good perspective from both sides.

Updated: May 8, 2006, 9:09 PM ET
Reaction slow as police told Duke 'this will blow over'


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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="PADDING-TOP: 10px" vAlign=top><!-- begin leftcol --><!-- template inline -->DURHAM, N.C. -- Duke underestimated the rape allegations against members of the lacrosse team in part because Durham police initially said the accuser "kept changing her story and was not credible,'' according to a university report issued Monday.
The day after the March 13 team party where a 27-year-old black woman claimed she was raped, Durham police told campus officers that "this will blow over,'' the report said. It said that the woman initially told police she was raped by 20 white men, then said she was attacked by three.
Police told the Duke officers that if any charges were filed, "they would be no more than misdemeanors,'' the report said.
Instead, more than a month after the party, a grand jury indicted two members of the highly ranked lacrosse team on charges of rape, kidnapping and sexual assault. District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he hopes to charge a third person.
The report was commissioned by the Duke president and prepared by Julius Chambers, a former chancellor at North Carolina Central University, where the accuser is a student, and William G. Bowen, a former president of Princeton University who is now head of the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation.
Their report does not say who at the Durham Police Department cast doubt on the accuser's complaint. But, it said, allowing those comments to shape Duke's thinking "was a major mistake."

Defense attorneys have asked the court to consider the woman's reliability, saying she previously made an allegation of rape that did not lead to any charges.

"The changing of the allegations is entirely consistent with our investigation into her background and our knowledge of the case," said attorney Kirk Osborn, who represents Reade Seligmann, one of the two players charged.

After reviewing a copy of the report, Nifong declined to comment. Durham police spokeswoman Kammie Michael also declined to comment.
The report did say a female Duke police officer tried to calm and reassure the accuser at the hospital where she was taken by police hours after the party. The woman, the Duke officer said, was "crying uncontrollably and visibly shaken ... shaking, crying and upset.'' That behavior, the report said, "doesn't suggest that the case was likely to just 'go away.'''
The statements about the accuser's credibility were part of a major failure of communications between police and several members of Duke's administration, the report said.
The report said Duke President Brodhead did not learn about the incident for a week, and only then by reading about it in the student newspaper. When Brodhead sought more information from Larry Moneta, Duke's vice president for student affairs, he was told "the accusations were not credible and were unlikely to amount to anything,'' the report said.
That was largely the extent of university leaders' knowledge "until a burst of activity on the part of the district attorney and the police and their investigation made us realize that there was potentially a significantly larger story here," Brodhead said.
Brodhead and others did not learn about the racial aspects of the case until March 24 -- "a gap in communications that is extraordinary,'' the report concluded.
The report said Duke's response was also limited by its lack of diversity in senior management; Brodhead and his core advisers are almost all white men.

The case may have been handled better "if a wide array of life histories and perspectives had been brought to bear on what were sensitive and highly charges issues," the report said.
But while Duke's leaders were "much too slow" to understand and respond to the rape allegations, the delay did not represent "any effort to cover up the problems revealed by these events, to deceive anyone, or to play down the seriousness of the issues raised."
Once he had all the facts, Brodhead "provided strong, consistent, and effective leadership," the report said.
Defense attorneys have strongly proclaimed the innocence of the team and the two players charged, sophomores Reade Seligmann, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, of Garden City, N.Y.

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[Steve19]

Well....what it tells me is not that Duke had a problem because they had white men at the helm and thus had a diversity problem, rather they had white men at the helm who simply didn't understand the political dynamics of such charges.

Anytime that anyone alleges sexual misconduct, and especially anytime that people of different groups are involved (black/white, young/old), you treat it as am important allegation and you investigate. You don't jump to conclusions about the veracity of the allegations either. You investigate and make an informed decision based on the facts at hand, as openly and transparently as possible while protecting the dignity of all involved.

For a university that is supposed to be so highly esteemed and run by such intelligent people, this was truly an insensitive and ineffective way to have reacted to this problem.

 

[Folanator]

Sounds like the cops are trying any way to cover their asses. This really pisses me off. Amazing....

Lacrosse defense witness arrested
Cabbie questioned in 2003 incident
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Joseph Neff and Samiha Khanna, Staff Writers
DURHAM - A Durham police detective investigating the Duke University lacrosse case arrested an alibi witness Wednesday on a 2 1/2-year-old misdemeanor warrant.
Taxi driver Moezeldin Elmostafa said Investigator R.D. Clayton and another officer asked whether he had anything new to tell them about the rape case before driving him to the Durham County jail. He said no and was held for five hours, until a friend posted his bail on a shoplifting charge.
Ernest Conner, a Greenville lawyer who represents defendant Reade Seligmann, said the cabbie's arrest amounted to intimidation. "It appears to me they are trying to pressure a witness who supports our defendant's rock-solid alibi," Conner said.
Sgt. Mark Gottlieb, the supervisor of the investigation, refused to answer questions Wednesday night.
Elmostafa signed a sworn statement in April saying he picked up Seligmann from a Duke lacrosse team party just after midnight March 14. Seligmann and another player, Collin Finnerty, have been charged with raping an escort service dancer during the party at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.
Elmostafa's affidavit said he picked up Seligmann at 12:19 a.m. that morning and drove him to an automated teller machine, a fast-food burger joint and back to his dorm. To corroborate the taxi driver's statement, Seligmann's lawyers filed copies in court of phone records, security photos from the ATM and electronic records showing when Seligmann entered his dorm.
The lawyers have said that Elmostafa's account and the records exonerate Seligmann.
Clayton, who is working under Gottlieb on the case, picked up Elmostafa on Wednesday afternoon.
"The detective asked if I had anything new to say about the lacrosse case," Elmostafa said. "When I said no, they took me to the magistrate."
2003 charge
Elmostafa was charged with a misdemeanor larceny that occurred Sept. 2, 2003, when a woman stole five purses worth $250 from the Hecht's department store at Northgate Mall.
Elmostafa said Wednesday that he had picked up Lisa Faye Hawkins and her daughter at their home and had taken them to the mall. Elmostafa said he waited in the taxi with the daughter while Hawkins shopped and then he drove the two home.
Elmostafa said he later received a call asking him to speak with Hecht's security. The security officer at Hecht's said Hawkins had stolen some purses before getting into the taxi, Elmostafa said.
Elmostafa said he gave the woman's address and a copy of his driver's license to the security guard, who thanked him for his help.
"I am not responsible for what she did inside the store," Elmostafa said. "I am just a taxi driver."
Hawkins pleaded guilty to the larceny three months later.
Elmostafa said he heard nothing about the case until his arrest Wednesday. He spent five hours at the Durham County jail before a friend put up $700 for the bail.
A Hecht's spokesman could not be reached Wednesday evening. Conner said it was highly unusual for police to arrest someone for a misdemeanor more than two years after the crime. He contrasted the treatment of the taxi driver with that of Kim Roberts, the other dancer at the party. Conner said Roberts initially told police no rape occurred at the party but changed her story after she was arrested on a probation violation. District Attorney Mike Nifong later reduced Roberts' bail.

Staff writer Joseph Neff can be reached at 829-4516 or [email protected].

 

[Folanator]

2nd DNA test came back negative.

RALEIGH, N.C. -- A second round of DNA testing in the Duke University lacrosse rape case came back with the same result as the first -- no conclusive match to any member of the team, defense attorneys said Friday.
Attorney Joseph Cheshire, who represents a team captain who has not been charged, said the tests showed genetic material from a "single male source" was found on a vaginal swab taken from the accuser, but that material did not match any of the players.
"In other words, it appears this woman had sex with a male," said Cheshire, who spoke at a news conference with other defense attorneys in the case. "It also appears with certainty it wasn't a Duke lacrosse player."
Cheshire said the testing did find some genetic material from several people on a plastic fingernail found in a bathroom trash can of the house where the team held the March 13 party. He said some of that material had the "same characteristics" -- a link short of a conclusive match -- to some of the players, but not the two who have been charged with rape, kidnapping and sexual assault.
Along with the fingernail, the trash can contained cotton swabs, tissue, toilet paper and other items that would carry the DNA of people who used the bathroom, Cheshire said.
Two members of the team have been charged with raping an exotic dancer hired to perform at the party.
The dancer, a 27-year-old black student at nearby North Carolina Central University, told police she was raped and beaten for a half-hour by three white men at the party. A grand jury has charged sophomores Reade Seligmann, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, of Garden City, N.Y., with rape, kidnapping and sexual assault.
Defense attorneys have strongly proclaimed that all the players are innocent, consistently pointing to an initial round of DNA tests they said found no match between the 46 players tested and the accuser.
District Attorney Mike Nifong did not immediately return a call to his home seeking comment Friday night.
After the first round of tests came back from a state crime lab without a match, Nifong said that in 75 to 80 percent of all sexual assault cases, there is no DNA evidence. In those cases, prosecutors had to proceed "the good old-fashioned way. Witnesses got on the stand and told what happened to them," he said last month.
But Stan Goldman, a Loyola Law School professor and former Los Angeles County public defender, said he would be surprised if Nifong went ahead with the case unless "they really have something significant that they are not revealing to us" -- such as a lacrosse player willing to testify he saw a rape.
"There has got to be some really good prosecution explanation as to why the DNA evidence does not exist and why someone else's would be there," Goldman said.
Cheshire said the fact that the players turned over the fingernail shows they had nothing to hide.
"Is that consistent with someone that knowledgeably and knowingly committed a rape?" Cheshire said. "That they would leave fingernails that were ripped off a person in a violent struggle in their trash can after they're told there's an investigation and that police were going to come to their house, and when the police do, they give them the fingernails?"
According to a search warrant executed on March 16, police recovered five fingernails from the house, but it was unclear where those fingernails were found or whether they included the one containing DNA.
"Let's wait and see the fingernails and see if they match up to the way she describes the attack took place," Cheshire said.
Nifong has said he hoped to charge a third person, and he could do so as early as Monday at the next meeting of the Durham County grand jury.
"I'm not going to comment on whether I think it'll be my client or not," Cheshire said. "I hope it is none. It'll simply be accusing another innocent person."
The "single male source" who matched the genetic material found on the vaginal swab take from the victim is named in the report on the second round of DNA tests, which were done at a private lab. Cheshire said the man "is known to the Durham police department" but he declined to give the man's name or comment on his relationship with the accuser.
"There is no indication that this man should have his name dragged through the mud," he said.

 

[sandgk]

Well So Much for Goldman's Opinion

Last time I'll take stock advice from that guy.
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3rd Member of Duke Lacrosse Team Indicted

DURHAM, N.C. — A Duke University lacrosse team captain became the third player indicted in the rape scandal Monday and the first to speak out, blasting the charges against him as "fantastic lies."

"I look forward to watching them unravel in the weeks to come," said David Evans, a just-graduated 23-year-old economics major from Bethesda, Md., who was one of four team captains.
At a news conference, Evans was backed by other players and his mother, Rae Evans, a Washington lobbyist who is the chairwoman of the Ladies Professional Golf Association board of directors.
The charges followed a March 13 party at an off-campus house, where a 27-year-old black student at nearby North Carolina Central University told police she was raped and beaten by three white men after she and another woman were hired as strippers.
Evans also proclaimed the innocence of sophomores Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y., who were indicted last month on the same charges.
District Attorney Mike Nifong said he did not expect any more indictments in the case, saying the three players facing charges were the only ones implicated by the evidence.
Defense attorneys have insisted all the players are innocent, citing DNA tests they say found no match between any of the team's white players and the accuser.
Evans' attorney, Joseph Cheshire, said the accuser identified Evans with "90 percent certainty" during a photo lineup. Cheshire said the accuser told police she would be 100 percent sure if Evans had a mustache _ something he said his client has never had.
Evans turned himself in after the news conference and was released after posting a $400,000 bond. He was scheduled to make an initial appearance Tuesday, but Cheshire said his client would probably waive it.
Evans, who lived at the house where the party was held, was indicted on charges of first-degree forcible rape, sexual offense and kidnapping. In the past, he had been cited for a noise ordinance violation and alcohol possession.
He said that he and his roommates helped police find evidence at the house, and that he gave investigators access to his e-mail and instant messenger accounts. He said that his offer to take a lie-detector test was rejected by authorities, and that he later took one on his own and passed.
"You have all been told some fantastic lies," he said at the news conference.
Evans attended the Landon School, a prep school in suburban Washington, where he also played football and hockey and led the lacrosse team to a three-year record of 56-2. He is one of five members of the Duke lacrosse team to graduate from the Landon School.
"He was an exemplary student and athlete," David M. Armstrong, the school's headmaster, said in a statement. "The allegations coming from Durham today are inconsistent with the character of the young man who attended our school."
After the woman reported the attack, Duke canceled the rest of the lacrosse team's season and accepted the resignation of its coach. Duke President Richard Brodhead initiated a series of investigations, one of which concluded administrators were slow to react to the scandal in part because of initial doubts about the accuser's credibility.
Last week, Evans lost a deal that would have kept him from being charged with old alcohol and noise violations after prosecutors said he had violated the terms of the agreement by hosting the party.
Prosecutors had agreed to deferred prosecution on an August 2005 charge of having an open container of alcohol in a vehicle, and a January charge of violating the city's noise ordinance. The state had agreed to dismiss the charges if Evans completed community service, paid court costs and stayed out of trouble.
A judge reinstated the alcohol charge, Evans' attorney entered a plea on his behalf, and the student was fined $100.

 

[BB73]

I'm a little surprised that the judge hasn't put a gag order on the defense attorneys.

And Nifong's actions as a prosecutor, at least up until his primary election date, were also very questionable.

Their efforts to try this case in the public view, rather than in the courtroom, has me about to gag.

 

[Folanator]

I'm a little surprised that the judge hasn't put a gag order on the defense attorneys.

And Nifong's actions as a prosecutor, at least up until his primary election date, were also very questionable.

Their efforts to try this case in the public view, rather than in the courtroom, has me about to gag.

Unless someone admits something this whole thing is heading for a train wreck. I personally think she is a lying sack of shit with a history. These boys are sure as hell not acting like they have anything to hide between cooperating with the cops searches and taking lie detector tests. But hey, that's me.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

i said it earlier, something fishy is going on. i just dont know what

 

[StooGrimson]

These boys are sure as hell not acting like they have anything to hide between cooperating with the cops searches and taking lie detector tests. But hey, that's me.

Yeah, but they and their lawyers have also done one hell of a job attempting to taint the jury pool. Lie detector tests mean nothing and allegedly cooperating with the police during a search means nothing. I think the only thing I believe right now is that everyone involved has serious credibility issues while the DA and defense attorneys would prefer to try the case in the news like a bunch of scumbags