Drunken Pirate MySpace pic costs student her degree

[Jeffcat]

do you have ANY evidence to support this claim?

sure go to your local bar tonight and tell me how many of those people you would want teaching over a sober person around closing hours.

but you obviously would still fully support their termination of employeement even if they do drink responsibly because at some point somewhere sometime they "might" abuse it. correct?

might as well

and opinions are like assholes. you don't like the law? get enough people to agree with you and change it. it is not your right nor the right of any other individual to pass their moral objections upon others as if they are.

i am pretty sure there are obviously not enough people to agree with me so do you just suggest i give up in that case? moral objections? i have every right to pass my moral objections of the obvious. morality defines what ought to be in terms of right or wrong. you turn a blind eye to the fact that people are killed, obtain drinking disorders, chronic disease, innebriated states, etc. all solely for the benefit of you occasionally drinking some alcohol for your own mild amusement. do you seriously believe yourself there? if i have a coke and drinking pepsi instead will save lives, etc. then i don't think i am going to ball like a child that i should keep my coke instead.

*shrug* i say we leave the beer be and outlaw cars. it wasn't a beer bottle flying through the air that killed anyone. it was sheetmetal meeting flesh and bone.

what?

your intentions are just as wrong as the person who killed little susie. you judge me drinking a beer as wrong because someone else got plastered and drove. how exactly do you feel you or anyone else has the right to hold me responsible and limit my freedoms because of the actions of another? but its ok because it might somewhere sometime somehow keep someone from harm right?

my intentions are just as wrong killing susie yet i am the one trying to save her. AKA you are selfish and inconsiderate? are you telling you honestly cannot sacrifice a damn drink of preference over the benefit of saving lives?

 

[BUCKYLE]

my intentions are just as wrong killing susie yet i am the one trying to save her. AKA you are selfish and inconsiderate? are you telling you honestly cannot sacrifice a damn drink of preference over the benefit of saving lives?

You know what else would save lives? Locking everyone in rubber rooms. Have you never seen I ROBOT?

 

[Jeffcat]

oh yeah? well there aren't any mass tort class action suits against alcohol companies... of course we can't say that about the drug companies... Vioxx, Celebrex, Bextra...? using medication isn't the same as taking vitamins...

well obviously. how many people that would OD on those drugs end up having their families sue the company for their family members death?.........zero. no it isn't the same but the concept is. medications and vitamins improve the lifestyle and wellness of society with minimal problems along the way. alcohol COMPLETELY does the exact vice versa.

 

[jwinslow]

It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with you on this jeff. You continuously offer 'slippery slope' warnings, yet it's the basis of many of your arguments.

You insist that any individual irresponsibility with alcohol should lead to a wholistic ban for everyone. Yet when someone applies that approach to any number of things (to point out how reckless that mindset is), you brush them off with a sarcastic remark or skate around the comparison.

you're right as long as you don't impose it upon others in this particular manner.

It doesn't matter. In Jeff's world, anything that could happen is all that matters... and any potential behavior should be used as rationale for punishing and/or firing employees, even if they ALWAYS take measures to avoid those extreme outcomes.

That is unless you wish to compare alcohol to a number of other reasonable things that can be abused. Then the rules change.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

you know what? i have to give it to jeff. he is clearly a magician. otherwise, how can you explain his talent of repeatedly freeing himself from a straitjacket to post here on bp?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I reiterate:

My condolences for whatever experience you have had involving alcohol which has irrevocably scarred you. I respect that you choose to be a teetotaler, but how can you be serious about this prohibition crusade? Like it or not, the majority of those of us who enjoy alcohol do so responsibly. As you get older, you may come to realize this.

Once again, good luck.

 

[Mike80]

Well Jeff I still wish you a Happy Cinco De Mayo.

I'll drink to that!!



Oh damn don't tell my boss

 

[Mike80]

well obviously. how many people that would OD on those drugs end up having their families sue the company for their family members death?.........zero. no it isn't the same but the concept is. medications and vitamins improve the lifestyle and wellness of society with minimal problems along the way. alcohol COMPLETELY does the exact vice versa.

as ORD pointed out earlier, in moderation, Alcohol has many beneficial effects on the human body.

I'd imagine that when you are referring to the drugs listed, you are taking them as prescribed yes?

 

[scooter1369]

Ok fuck this,

Who wants to meet me at Oties Friday night for a beer or three in Jeffcat's honor?

 

[Gatorubet]

This just in...Local SPCA announces Jeffcat has turned in his dog for potential alcohol induced barking...

 

[Golferdow01]

oh ok lets not completely beat around the bush with an unknown stessor. you could also make the claim as a depressant it could have the same negative effects in a vice versa manner to your claim.

So you don't disagree that is can be a destressor then?

What is good for one person is not good for another. Who are you to be the judge to determine where to draw the line?

 

[Jeffcat]

It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with you on this jeff. You continuously offer 'slippery slope' warnings, yet it's the basis of many of your arguments.

You insist that any individual irresponsibility with alcohol should lead to a wholistic ban for everyone. Yet when someone applies that approach to any number of things (to point out how reckless that mindset is), you brush them off with a sarcastic remark or skate around the comparison.It doesn't matter. In Jeff's world, anything that could happen is all that matters... and any potential behavior should be used as rationale for punishing and/or firing employees, even if they ALWAYS take measures to avoid those extreme outcomes.

That is unless you wish to compare alcohol to a number of other reasonable things that can be abused. Then the rules change.

slippery slope problems? it is indicating an unknown future premise for an unknown conclusion since it is invalid. if i say that this saturday nobody will be irresponsible with their drinking then albit a future premise it is already false anyways because it is common sense that the statement is not true in any leap of faith. there are dumbasses, there are irresponsible ones, and it will happen. if you would like to try to deny a future premise that actually has a truth value to it then you are clearly living in denial of reality. now if somebody says "stopping alcohol is going to lead to stopping cheeseburgers, driving, the end of the world, etc.".......its clearly a load of crap because it is totally unproven albit irrational as well since it has no truth value.

if you can drink responsibly then that is jim dandy and congrats, but as i said before the same alcohol you are drinking responsibly is the same alcohol numerous others are abusing. if you eliminate the alcohol altogether you avoid someone driving drunk, you lower the rates of cirrhosis, you lower the rate that your teenage daughter is so drunk that she ends up prego and doesn't even remember why. so here is the core question here.
is your sacrifice of a god damn beverage worth more than the potential negative outcomes of keeping that beverage around for irresponsible people to abuse with harmful effects?

 

[jwinslow]

if i say that this saturday nobody will be irresponsible with their drinking then albit a future premise it is already false anyways because it is common sense that the statement is not true in any leap of faith.

That is irrelevant to HER behavior. If you want to ban alcohol b/c it's evil, that's a completely separate discussion. But it's not illegal to have a drink, no matter how many ways you try to align it with felonies.

Remember, it's jim dandy to have a drink responsibly.

now if somebody says "stopping alcohol is going to lead to stopping cheeseburgers, driving, the end of the world, etc.".......its clearly a load of crap because it is totally unproven albit irrational as well since it has no truth value.

Yes, b/c I was the one talking in wild hyperbole about cheeseburgers.

if you can drink responsibly then that is jim dandy and congrats

I don't believe you. That's (likely) what this teacher does*, yet you feel justified in judging and punishing her for potential behavior exhibited by others.

* - There were zero issues at work/school. Without that myspace pic, there was no signs of her offwork behavior, a factoid you readily ignore.

if you eliminate the alcohol altogether you avoid someone driving drunk, you lower the rates of cirrhosis, you lower the rate that your teenage daughter is so drunk that she ends up prego and doesn't even remember why. so here is the core question here.

Prohibition failed miserably... how are you going to mak eit work?

is your sacrifice of a god damn beverage worth more than the potential negative outcomes of keeping that beverage around for irresponsible people to abuse with harmful effects?

My beverage? You might want to save the swearing for someone who actually drinks. That should put my distaste for your mentality in perspective.

If so many people abuse alcohol regularly, you honestly believe removing alcohol will end the issue? They'll find another way to get wasted. It's just like me with CS. I stopped playing that game, but other distractions creeped up. The problem wasn't the game, the problem was ME.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

what if she didn't? what if she actually was drunk? everything is a "what if" so that is where liability plays in

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[Jeffcat]

That is irrelevant to HER behavior. If you want to ban alcohol b/c it's evil, that's a completely separate discussion. But it's not illegal to have a drink, no matter how many ways you try to align it with felonies.

i know it is. there is 2 separate discussions occuring. i never aligned it with felonies. i simply used the ideology of another situation to illustrate the point in way that hopefully some people could understand better. it had nothing to do with the legality of the matter.

Yes, b/c I was the one talking in wild hyperbole about cheeseburgers.
I don't believe you. That's (likely) what this teacher does*, yet you feel justified in judging and punishing her for potential behavior exhibited by others.

i never said YOU did, i said if SOMEBODY did however there has been a great deal of exaggerations just as bad and the cheeseburger example was clearly stated before. "(likely)" is where the question comes into play. the pics leave suspicion. personally i don't feel like taking the risk of finding out givin there is suspicion involved.

Prohibition failed miserably... how are you going to mak eit work?
My beverage? You might want to save the swearing for someone who actually drinks. That should put my distaste for your mentality in perspective.
If so many people abuse alcohol regularly, you honestly believe removing alcohol will end the issue? They'll find another way to get wasted. It's just like me with CS. I stopped playing that game, but other distractions creeped up. The problem wasn't the game, the problem was ME.

you are right it did fail miserably but only because the people rebelled against the idea of it. could we possibly stop it?......no chance in hell. however, we could minimize the effects it has for generations to come. teens won't have the easy access to alcohol like they already do, and if they really became that desperate then they would either have to purchase it from an older person because it is unlikely that they would go to the trouble of getting the resources to distill, ferment, etc. drinking gradually becomes more difficult and more towards the vast minority.