Drunken Pirate MySpace pic costs student her degree

[Jeffcat]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

maybe/maybe not but you know all too well what i am implying if you are disputing it so i am not going to bother with the definition of another issue for no reason.

 

[Muck]

There is nothing better than being able to see the exact point where someone's connection with reality tapers off.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

maybe/maybe not but you know all too well what i am implying if you are disputing it so i am not going to bother with the definition of another issue for no reason.

Well maybe you should, because saying this girl is a liability to any company that hires her is completely different from what you're trying to say.

Although I do agree that if you were using the right word or not doesn't matter.....your thoughts on the subject would be ridiculous either way.

 

[Jeffcat]

Well maybe you should, because saying this girl is a liability to any company that hires her is completely different from what you're trying to say.

Although I do agree that if you were using the right word or not doesn't matter.....your thoughts on the subject would be ridiculous either way.

hmmm well potential risk but liability is still a suitable definition of my interpretation of her.

 

[methomps]

hmmm well potential risk but liability is still a suitable definition of my interpretation of her.

So what percentage of people would you say aren't a liability?

 

[Thump]

Jeffcat,

I drank two beers at dinner then went home and drank about 6 on my deck last night.

I'm waiting to get my pink slip some time today.

 

[buckeyefool]

Jeffcat,

I drank two beers at dinner then went home and drank about 6 on my deck last night.

I'm waiting to get my pink slip some time today.

 

[buckeyefool]

Jeff I have a question for you...what time did you have to be at work today? if you didn't have to work what time did you get up? Or what time do you normaly have to be at work?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

hmmm well potential risk but liability is still a suitable definition of my interpretation of her.

Somebody is a liability if they've proven to be lacking in the area that you're concerned about. Lloyd Carr is a liability against Ohio State, defense is a liability for Notre Ame, somebody who got drunk in a pirate outfit isn't a liability to a future company.....or even to the school she attends.

It's too strong of a word.

 

[Bucks07]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Jeff, what percentage of people would you say are a "liability"? I can tell you right now, most teachers I know like to go out and throw back a few (or a lot) but not ONE has ever ever ever shown up to work drunk. They're drinkers, not alcoholics, a huge difference that I don't think you quite get.

 

[BrutuStrength]

whether or not she implies it from the pic is quite questionable when she captions herself as a "drunken pirate" and is in the process of drinking whatever. 2+X=4 and X=2. X doesn't say it is 2 but i have enough common sense to understand in addition of whole numbers what the answer actually is.

So, to summarize your position then, and please correct me if I'm wrong... it must be true because they read it on the Internet?

Let's take a look at what the student handbook of Millersville University says regarding student consuming any alcoholic beverages:

The possession, use, or sale of alcoholic beverages and illegal drugs by students regardless of age is prohibited on the University campus and in all University facilities. Students found guilty are subject to disciplinary action as provided in the Student Code of Conduct.

So the only mention of alcohol is that it cannot be possessed, consumed, or sold on campus or in university facilities.

So here's what we really know about the situation:
1. The picture shows her with a cup and is titled "drunken pirate."
2. The student handbook expressly states that alcohol cannot be possessed, consumed, or sold on campus or in university facilities.
3. The picture may or may not have been taken while the person was on campus.
4. The person in question is of legal drinking age.
5. By looking at the picture one is not able to know that alcohol (or anything else for that matter) is actually in the cup.
6. By looking at the picture one is not able to know that the person is actually drunk.
7. Noone has actually confirmed that the person is indeed a pirate.

So with this many variables, it seems that the equation should be more like: C + DP(X) = F/G
Where C = Cup's Contents, D = Drunkeness, P = Pirate Status, X = Location (on campus?), F = Fair Punnishment, G = Degree of Guilt.

Who knows, it still might be equal to 4.

Now then, here's the part of the article that really gets me:

Although Ms. Snyder was of legal drinking age when the photo was taken, Millersville administrators deemed the image "unprofessional," and they refused to award her an education degree and the teaching certificate that came along with it. (Instead they issued her a degree in English.)

So I did a search in the handbook for the term "unprofessional" and got 0 hits. I then did a search on their entire site and came up with only 2 hits for that word. Only one of which was associated with the student teaching/education program. And here is it's context:

Students may not, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, contact school personnel to arrange their own placements. Please note that district personnel consider this to be unprofessional behavior, and that such contact may jeopardize your student teaching placement.

So there you have it. "Liability" should have nothing to do with it, since the stated reason for her change of degree was purportedly based upon her "unprofessionalism" (which is probably why she was a student to begin with).

 

[BB73]

The Lantern has an interesting opinion regarding the RA that lost his position because of a facebook entry that showed him hosting a party at his parents' house where underage drinking occurred.

thelantern

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Of course, the RA agreed to uphold the standards set forth by the university and to which he agreed upon entering in an agreement with the university. The Lantern nevertheless recognizes that rather than being a social ill that perverts the mind and behavior, it can also be a social tool around which people gather, discuss and have fun - three goals for which any university should strive.

Underage drinking, though illegal, happens. Done responsibly, it is even safe. And, when done peacefully in the home, it is no one else's business. Making sure it remains the business of an individual means students should remember when any information or photos are posted of them online, it can be viewed by almost anyone and sometimes by people more harmful than the university.

 

[OCBucksFan]

Ohio student suspended after punch posted on MySpace

Ohio student suspended after punch posted on MySpace

MANSFIELD, Ohio ? Officials at a high school have suspended a 19-year-old seen punching another student in the jaw in a video posted on MySpace.com.

Douglas Lawhorn agreed to pay the other student $70 before delivering the blow, which knocked the student out, said Superintendent David Williamson.

``These two guys are friends,'' sheriff's deputy Chuck Kochis said. ``This was just a prank for kids. They thought it would be cool and an easy $70.''

When will people learn just to avoid MySpace and Facebook like the plague?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

When will people learn just to avoid MySpace and Facebook like the plague?

When all the eligible 16-year olds start hanging out someplace else.

 

[martinss01]

what if she didn't? what if she actually was drunk? everything is a "what if" so that is where liability plays in

"what if" she drinks too much water tomorrow morning during her balanced wholesome breakfast and all natural vitamin and dies of water intoxication while driving and hits a school bus full of handicapped kids and puppies? should we outlaw water to be certain such a tragedy never occurs?

in case you don't think its possible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

yea we are all commies just because we are trying to save lives as opposed to you dehydrating yourself with a drink. i guess i am a commie then.

so you are in favor of banning any liquid that is not an effective source of hydration?

i am pretty sure there are obviously not enough people to agree with me so do you just suggest i give up in that case? moral objections?

no, i wouldn't recommend anyone who feels as strongly as you seem to about this to simply give up. i would however recommend you at least consider the possibility that your opinions in this matter could potentially be in error rather than that of the majority.

i have every right to pass my moral objections of the obvious.

moral objections of the obvious, in your eyes. in this country, majority rule governs. at least in theory anyway.

morality defines what ought to be in terms of right or wrong.

does that mean that my morality should govern your life? or just your morality govern mine?

you turn a blind eye to the fact that people are killed, obtain drinking disorders, chronic disease, innebriated states, etc. all solely for the benefit of you occasionally drinking some alcohol for your own mild amusement.

no, i hold the individuals in each case personally responsible for their actions, not a liquid. im so sick and tired of people constantly blaming inanimate objects for their mistakes. ohs noes! it wasn't jimmy, it was that vile BEER! if it wasn't for beer jimmy wouldn't have drove drunk and got into an accident. jimmy had a fucking problem that lead him to drinking as an escape! jimmy being unable to control his drinking is symptom of a problem, not the cause. if alcohol wasn't readily available jimmy would have found some other form of self destruction.

are you telling you honestly cannot sacrifice a damn drink of preference over the benefit of saving lives?

i have had two drinks so far THIS YEAR. please feel free to explain to me exactly how my drinking is endangering anyones life let alone taken one. i fail to see how you seem to be able to link a persons beverage of choice to the death of an individual that had nothing to do with them. is this some psychotic butterfly effect? if martinss01 drinks a beer in ohio a 4 yr old in california dies?