Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

[matcar]

I don't believe so, and that really shouldn't be anyone's focus.

Agreed. While I know how much we hated the piling on that occured with our NCAA violations, I kinda hope that this board doesn't start asking about how the NCAA will deal with this, because it really doesn't matter.

 

[Woody1968]

it may just be lawyerspeak, but kelly said that paterno is "not regarded as a target at this point."

I don't think they plan on targeting him, as they want to use him as a witness for the prosecution.

 

[Class'13]

Anyone know when McQueary was promoted from GA to WR Coach/Recruiting Coordinator?

 

[BB73]

it may just be lawyerspeak, but kelly said that paterno is "not regarded as a target at this point."

That's accurate. To put it into context, here's the whole portion:

Q - "At this point, will you be able to say whether Mr. Paterno and Mr. Spanier have been cleared by your investigation, and can you comment on that?

AG Linda Kelly - "I can tell you that Mr. Paterno has been interviewed by the investigators, you can see that he has testified in the grand jury, that he reported this to individuals in the administration, being Mr. Curley and Mr. Schultz, as far as what occurred that night. He's been cooperative with the investigators in this case. He is not regarded as a target at this point."

Q - "Was that the extent of Mr. Paterno's responsibilities, just to report it to his superiors, as opposed to reporting it as well to the police?

Kelly - "We believe that under the statute, he had an obligation to report it to school administrators, and he did that."

... (a couple of questions later)

Q - "You said that Coach Paterno is not regarded as a target at this point, and followed the stature by alerting higher officials. Can you say the same thing about President Spanier, is he not regarded as a target, and did he follow the statute?"

Kelly - "All I can say is again, I'm limited to what's contained in the presenment, and that this is an ongoing, continuing investigation."

Q - "Can you elaborate, though, on the statute, and maybe explain 'Why charge these two officials, but not the other two officials, who also have some high-ranking capacity at Penn State, that are mentioned in the grand jury report (Coach Paterno and President Spanier)'. How were these two singled out, under the stature, and why?

Kelly - "I can say that the graduate assistant reported to Paterno. Paterno then reported to these school administrators. They were the ones that made the decision to act as they did, and they are therefore responsible, under the circumstances, for the reporting."

Q - "Do you believe there's anybody that maybe had a moral obligation or ethical obligation to report something, that doesn't fall under statutes ...(inaudible)?"

Kelly - "I would have to say that all of us standing up here are law enforcement officials, and that we deal with facts and evidence. We have conducted an investigation and charged three defendants in connection with this case. Those of us that have been in the law for a while know that there is a difference between moral and legal guilt. Right now, those of us up here are concerned with legal guilt, and I'm not going to comment on morality now."

Q - "Is there a chance that Curley and Schultz could face more charges, like endangering the welfare of a child, other things that could possibly apply?"

Kelly - "All I can say is that the investigation continues."

 

[Bucklion]

So apparently the defense of some of Penn State's finest fans over on Scout is that this Schultz character had some sort of oversight capacity of the campus police, therefore "Joe told the police" and did nothing wrong. Which is crap on a shit ton of levels, not the least of which is that Schultz was indicted for not reporting it to the authorities...if he WAS the authorities, there would have been no indictment. Whether that actually played into Joe's role/defense or not with the GJ I don't know, but it seems, at BEST, to be cowering behind the very weakest of technicalities.

Oh, and many of them are throwing McQ under the bus.

 

[BB73]

Anyone know when McQueary was promoted from GA to WR Coach/Recruiting Coordinator?

McQueary was the starting QB in 1997. PSU bio

2000-02 - GA
2003-03 - Administrative assistant
2004-11 - Assistant coach (currently WRs and Recruiting coordinator)

 

[LightningRod]

Noonan (State Police Commissioner) sounded like he was super [censored]ed in that segment on CNN. The institution and athletic dept. is going to get an anal probe like no other.

And yeah, Sandusky sounds and looks like a total douche in that short interview. Put him in gen-pop for a day or two.

Quote from the state police commissioner during that press conference:

I've never seen anything like this where no authorities were notified with numerous eye witness accounts.

 

[Bucklion]

According to the ESPN ticker, the CEO of Second Mile made this statement:

"To our knowledge, all the alleged incidents occurred outside of our programs and events."

Also, the Second Mile CEO is said to have testified to the grand jury that AD Curley notified Second Mile that the 2002 incident was internally reviewed and "there was no finding of wrongdoing".

"At no time was The Second Mile made aware of the very serious allegations contained in the grand jury report."

Two things - they're trying to cover their own ass from potential litigation, and Curley needs to be sent the the appropriate circle of hell.

The Second Mile does a lot of good for a lot of troubled kids...one hopes, prays in fact, that no one there had any knowledge of anything going on of this nature. Which is possible, after all Sandusky adopted 8 kids of his own and was the prime candidate for the UVA coaching job, so a lot of people were fooled by him and deceived by those around him who chose not to say anything about what they knew. But if even one kid reported something and no one at the charity did anything, then that just compounds the tragedy.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

So besides a mass firing of staff can State Penn get any NCAA violations from this?

If they didn't break any NCAA laws, most likely not. As long as no players were paid or no recruiting violation happened, I think they are fine. Sandusky was not employed by State Penn at the time. Then again, I have no idea.

 

[woofermazing]

A guy on OTL commented on how unusual Sanduskys retirement was at the time. Joe Pa was given many opportunities to lavish praise on him, and never once said something positive (or negative). Really suspicious for someone who had been on the staff for such a long time.

 

[Saw31]

This whole thing, just fucking outrageous. I can't fathom for one second how these so-called 'men' don't take action upon seeing/learning about this. If you don't have the moral courage to protect a child, you are the lowest form of shit there is. Though the victims and their families will impoverish these fuckers in the coming civil suits, it will still not be enough. It will never be enough for these fucking cowards...

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Anyone know when McQueary was promoted from GA to WR Coach/Recruiting Coordinator?

Are you saying his silence was bought? Was he blackmailing the university? I would believe anything at this point.

 

[Class'13]

Are you saying his silence was bought? Was he blackmailing the university? I would believe anything at this point.

Exactly, anything can happen at this point. I'm not insinuating that he was blackmailing them or his silence was bought, but we're all trying to figure out how all these guys could keep their mouths shut.

But for this exact possibility, I don't think the timeline matches, and considering he hasn't been promoted since then (with that still in his back pocket,) I think its fair to say it didn't happen.

 

[shiznit7]

So besides a mass firing of staff can State Penn get any NCAA violations from this?

I wondered the same thing, which I kind of felt bad about since an NCAA violation isn't in the same universe with how disgusting this legal case is. My guess is that in the course of the investigation, every document, transaction, transmittance, etc. that Penn State has made will be examoined with a fine-toothed comb. Wouldn't surprise me if some NCAA violation(s) was/were found. But again, this isn't pertinent at all right now.

 

[sandgk]

As it seems clear that some of the current Penn State coaching staff - from bobble figurehead JP down to assistant coaches - had knowledge of this, one wonders what the reaction of the current players parents might be? Their advice to their kids ...

Leave?

Leave at the earliest opportunity?

You're not going back after thanksgiving?

I'd imagine there is, for many, a current heavy dose of denial (happened years ago, they complied with letter of the law, the current coaches are not molesters / rapists, other). But, how long till the truth sinks in? The older men now stewarding their loved ones' lives are complicit in a cover-up of horrible crimes. They are not worthy of the responsibility those parents charged them to uphold when recruiting visits were made, when letters of intent were signed and co-signed. No matter whether they just engaged in a passive cover-up, it remains just that, a cover-up.

I'd be getting any kid of mine out of such a corrupt organization ASAP. Getting them a fresh start. And, if, as in this particular case, there were an organization standing in the kid's way, like the NCAA, I'd raise holy hell with them till they granted waivers of their stiff and hidebound rules.