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Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

BuckBackHome;2031452; said:
Aren't the Paternos heavily involved in Special Olympics? I have to imagine the investigators will be looking at everything with all the players now.

No doubt they won't leave any stone unturned, but SO has such a more vast administrative and protective structure (and it is statewide) that one would think (and hope) that it would be much better able to deal with any potential issue and nip it in the bud...in other words, if JS was looking for ease of access, I don't think that's the place he would have looked.
 
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Woody Hayes (who's name should be on the Big Ten trophy IMO) stood as a pillar of the Ohio State campus and Columbus community for decades. We all know why he was fired. But what's important is how. Immediately. No last season, no last game. Just out.

Take note Penn State. Because that's not even close to the crime of silence that Joe Paterno committed over the last decade. I think I'll take the opinion of the victims' parents over a rabid, cult-like fan base any day.
 
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localyokel;2031444; said:
Stephen A. Smith has also made some very forceful statements about culpability, moral responsibility and terminating JoePa immediately. I've liked his lack of equivocation.
When ESPN, Yahoo!, and others descend upon your own favored program or alma mater, you want to crawl into a shell and nitpick every factual error as proof of a conspiracy. When it happens to some other program, particularly one you don't like, it's like Christmas with a new present arriving every hour for days and days on end.

In this particular case though, I take no joy in what's come down on PSU. The circumstances are just too horrific and unfathomable to take some vicarious pleasure in this.

Fuck ESPN for making me have sympathy for Matt Millen.
 
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BB73;2031263; said:
...can everybody posting in this thread at least read the 23-page presentment, which has been posted in this thread multiple times since the wee hours Sunday morning, before posting uninformed opinions in this thread?
No. I think it's possible to get a fair enough idea of the main points without reading the thorough description of all the sordid details. After the first page and a half, I didn't want any more. Much like with the horrendous Daniel Pearl video, which I will never watch, I know more or less what happens, but I don't want the grisly details emblazoned in my memory

alexhortdog95;2031265; said:
I got to the 'Back Cracking' part and had to stop.
Precisely.

edit: And I'm not really directing that at you, Bill; I think I understand why you made that plea. I'm just suggesting that it is possible, through second-and-third-hand accounts, to get a pretty clear idea of what the general sequence of events was, without exposing one's imagination to all the chilling, personal details.
 
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Dryden;2031464; said:
When ESPN, Yahoo!, and others descend upon your own favored program or alma mater, you want to crawl into a shell and nitpick every factual error as proof of a conspiracy. When it happens to some other program, particularly one you don't like, it's like Christmas with a new present arriving every hour for days and days on end.

In this particular case though, I take no joy in what's come down on PSU. The circumstances are just too horrific and unfathomable to take some vicarious pleasure in this.

What's done is done, unfortunately, so I am taking joy in the notion that justice is finally being served. It is long overdue and just beginning, and I look forward to every bit of it including the lawsuits.

The fact that it involves a fan base consisting largely of idiots, who couldn't resist trashing my alma mater over a matter ridiculously trivial by comparison is simply a happy accident. I feel no guilt over seeing them eat a well deserved shit burger.

Fuck Penn State.
 
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Some interesting things about this weekend's game (courtesy of Darren Rovell of CNBC on Twitter):

The average asking price for the game ($286.96) is 30.5% above the current season average. Yesterday at noon the average asking price was $143.34.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;2030965; said:
a more hopeful picture that reflects the majority of the psu fanbase:


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I hope you're right, that this is the majority. With the caveat that the fanatics who populate a sports message board probably aren't representative of the larger fanbase, I'm seeing a disturbingly high proportion of PSU board denizens (seems like well over half, to me) who are down with the "let's adulate Paterno at a totally inappropriate time" rallies, making excuses that Paterno "did the maximum he could legally do", and generally trying to deflect and defend.
 
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zincfinger;2031473; said:
I hope you're right, that this is the majority. With the caveat that the fanatics who populate a sports message board probably aren't representative of the larger fanbase, I'm seeing a disturbingly high proportion of PSU board denizens (seems like well over half, to me) who are down with the "let's adulate Paterno at a totally inappropriate time" rallies, making excuses that Paterno "did the maximum he could legally do", and generally trying to deflect and defend.

As with politics, the fringe is always the most vocal. Given the human factor of these crimes (meaning the defensless kids being victimized), I have to believe there is a large proportion of people associated with the school that are beyond disgusted like everyone else...and maybe even moreso. What the exact % is, I don't know, and unless it's 100, it isn't high enough...but I do think they exist.
 
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How does Penn State's status as 'state-related' rather than state owned affect sovereign immunity protection? Similarly does the athletic department enjoy the same status as it is a separate self supporting entity that isn't primary funded by state money?
 
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Muck;2031477; said:
How does Penn State's status as 'state-related' rather than state owned affect sovereign immunity protection? Similarly does the athletic department enjoy the same status as it is a separate self supporting entity that isn't primary funded by state money?

A Congressman was on Sirius/XM college football playbook today and was stating that he believes that laws were indeed broken. Something about a Cleary law/act. It sounds as if he is going to go after them as well.
 
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Did Joe Paterno break the law?



While Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says that her office won't file charges against Joe Paterno for not reporting the alleged child sexual abuse by former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, the 84-year-old coach could eventually face criminal charges for perjury, obstruction of justice and violating the state's Child Protective Services Law. Paterno could also become a defendant in civil lawsuits filed by Sandusky's alleged victims. Those lawsuits could allege that Paterno negligently failed to prevent a third party with whom he had a supervisory relationship (Sandusky) from committing abuse.
Perjury and Obstruction of Justice
Under Pennsylvania law, as in other jurisdictions, perjury refers to knowingly lying while under oath. Obstruction of justice describes interference with the administration of justice, such as by concealing evidence or delaying or frustrating a criminal investigation. While Paterno has thus far escaped these criminal charges, his statements and behavior suggest that he remains vulnerable to them. That is particularly evident when considering troubling inconsistencies between Paterno's testimony to the grand jury that investigated Sandusky and the testimony of Penn State assistant Mike McQueary.
These inconsistencies related to Paterno's and McQueary's statements about "Victim 2" in the grand jury's statement of facts. According to the grand jury's findings of fact, McQueary detailed how in 2002 he saw a naked Sandusky sexually abusing a young boy in the showers in the Penn State football locker room. McQueary also testified that he told Paterno what he saw the following day, though it isn't clear from McQueary's testimony how explicit he was in his description to Paterno.
After hearing from McQueary, Paterno alerted athletic director Tim Curley. Yet instead of relaying what McQueary claims to have told him, Paterno conveyed a milder and vaguer description. Specifically, Paterno testified under oath that McQueary had said that Sandusky was engaged in fondling or "doing something of a sexual nature" to a boy.
To be sure, the phrase "doing something of a sexual nature" technically includes forcibly subjecting a child to anal intercourse, meaning Paterno may have been more evasive than untruthful. Then again, Paterno's hazy choice of words could encompass a band of sexual acts, from raping a 10-year-old boy to inappropriately touching or patting a child, that ranges too widely in heinousness to be deemed consistent with McQueary's allegedly more specific statements. The phrase unnecessarily imports ambiguity and generality where none had existed, and dubiously invites the listener -- Curley -- to assign a lack of severity to the incident. From that lens, Paterno appears to have told Curley a different account than what McQueary had told him.
The inconsistent testimonies raise several questions:
? Did McQueary lie to the grand jury about what he saw or told Paterno?
? Did Paterno lie to the grand jury about what McQueary had told him?
? If neither witness lied, did Paterno intentionally misrepresent what McQueary had told him in order to discourage Curley from aggressively investigating the matter or alerting the police? If so, did Paterno conceal the severity of the evidence or delay the onset of a criminal investigation to such an extent that he obstructed justice?
It should be reiterated that Paterno is at least publicly regarded by law enforcement authorities as a witness, rather than as a possible defendant; if authorities thought his actions clearly violated the law, he would have already been charged, just like Curley and former Penn State senior vice president of business and finance Gary Schultz. For purposes of obstruction of justice, Paterno also benefits from Pennsylvania's statute of limitations, which prevents authorities from charging individuals with crimes after a period of years. Although the length of years can be extended or "tolled" under certain circumstances, authorities would likely encounter difficulty charging Paterno nearly 10 years after the 2002 incident. Statute of limitations would not help Paterno deflect perjury charges, however, as his grand jury testimony occurred within the last year, thereby clearly falling within the applicable five-year statute of limitations.
Nonetheless, the potential exists for Paterno to face both perjury and obstruction of justice charges, especially as the investigation intensifies and as other witnesses, as well as defendants and potential defendants, talk. Also, should Curley and Schultz and, if eventually charged, university president Graham Spanier seek plea deals, they may be willing to implicate Paterno in exchange for more favorable treatment. Paterno, conversely, could seek the same type of arrangement with prosecutors, implicating Curley, Schultz et al. in exchange for avoiding prosecution. It is thus very possible that Penn State officials who worked closely together may wind up in a "prisoner's dilemma" where they will have an incentive to cut a deal and implicate their former colleagues before those former colleagues cut a deal and implicate them.
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Bucklion;2031475; said:
As with politics, the fringe is always the most vocal. Given the human factor of these crimes (meaning the defensless kids being victimized), I have to believe there is a large proportion of people associated with the school that are beyond disgusted like everyone else...and maybe even moreso. What the exact % is, I don't know, and unless it's 100, it isn't high enough...but I do think they exist.
"The fringe" may be the most vocal, but in order for their voices to predominate, they either have to be a pretty sizeable "fringe", or else the silent majority has to be truly silent. Neither of those is good here. I hope, and to some extent trust, that the majority are more appalled by the crimes - and the moral, if not legal, negligence - than by the damage to Paterno's reputation. But it's a tentative trust at this point.

And to some extent, I understand the reflexive instinct of some PSU fans to defend and deflect on Paterno's behalf. There is probably no other coach/program relationship in the history of American sport where the reputation of the coach was so thoroughly intertwined and ingrained with - in some ways definitional of - the image of the program. But still...
 
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