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Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

ORD_Buckeye;2031163; said:
It's not an either/or situation. JoePa is getting more attention because he's JoePa. I don't, however, think that is leading others to absolve McQueary in any way.

As for JoePa knowingly being involved in a cover-up (I would call it more inaction and "sweeping under the rug"), I think that's becoming more and more self-evident as information--including JoePa's own grand jury testimony and the the timeline of when PSU officials first became aware of Sandusky's proclivities becomes available.

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Im all for McQueery getting fired right now...whatever the fuck he saw that day going on in the shower im sure shocked and confused the living shit out of him at the time...i would think that being a grad assistant, he would feel more comfortable telling the cops then he would telling joe pa that the former D coordinator was having sex with a kid in the shower...the fact that McQueery did nothing else after weeks, months and years went on with no arrests is more infuriating to me then joe paterno not doing the same because McQueery witnessed it..he told his boss, who told his boss, and nothing happened...so then you go to the cops regardless if you think you will get fired or not because it is the absolute right thing to do...your not phil collins where you can make a song like "in the air tonight" to let the people know you saw something lyrically...tell the fucking cops idiot...and finally i will not go as far to say McQueery should of ran in there and stopped it physically...if i was in his shoes and that situation was going on (please god i hope i never see something like that) i would think i would be so in shock and almost paralyzed to the point where i would barely even be able to yell at the guy let alone go over there to punch his face in...but i would without a doubt call the police...i wouldnt tell my fucking fossil of a boss....which i never heard how long he waited to tell joepa...was it minutes, a day or weeks after that?
 
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ORD_Buckeye;2031172; said:
The fact that he didn't tells me that he was not shocked by the information. I think that I would have grilled McQueary for at least half an hour about exactly he saw, where exactly they were, how they were positioned, clothing status and other various and unpleasant details so that I could begin to understand and (unfortunately) picture exactly what McQueary saw.

The next step would be to immediately place calls to the police (not campus police) and the state children's service agency.

.................then call the AD and President and notify them of what was coming down. After that I would have gone Red Foreman on McQueary and put my foot dead up his ass for not preventing the ass rape of a 10 year old boy.

I'm not an expert in crisis management. This to me is basic fucking common sense.

Agreed, and here's the one thing that people are kinda side stepping:

What does Pennsylvania law say about this? Curley's attorney is basically saying "Well, the kid wasn't under our care, he was under the care of Second Mile. So he's not our responsibility."

Which then turns this into a moral issue. The purjury charges I think can stick on those that have been charged with it. But I think that's the only charge they'll make stick on those guys.
 
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Jake;2031177; said:
Holy shitballs! If you haven't actually read the grand jury report (23 pages) you have no idea of the depth of the depravity. Sandusky is one sick SOB. He'll be very popular in prison.

Grand Jury report of Sandusky investigation

And there's the problem. I don't think half the people commenting in this thread have taken the time to learn everything that is in that report. Or understand that this was at minimum the 2nd time Sandusky was accused of this, along with the seemingly dozens of 'something ain't right' whispers that were circulating around him apparently throughout his time at PSU. 'Head in the sand' would be a very generous description of the PSU leadership. I believe it goes way past 'head in the sand' and into criminal neglect of their duties to society. And if its found that they were not 'criminal', then the fucking laws need changed.
 
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What I haven't seen talked about is that the legal counsel for PSU in 1998, who was involved in that investigation of Sandusky, also represented Second Mile at that time (and still represents them to this day). To whom did Curley report the allegations against Sandusky? The police? No. He reported them to Second Mile.

Holy conflict of interest, Batman! Can you say cover up?
 
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Protect the innocent first! Worry about job later. In order: Stop the violence.
Call the police. Call the AD. Call the coach. If they fire you for doing the right thing, bring lawsuit. Simple matter of right and wrong!

You are a MANDATED reporter!

More than that you are a coach and a man.

Grow some and step up.
 
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Joe Paterno, Penn State officials keep quiet in desperate attempt to save themselves

The author and absurdist Richard Russo wrote a novel many years ago that was set at a typically dysfunctional university in Pennsylvania. The protagonist: a dean whose colleagues and bosses were concerned with, above all else, appearances and self-preservation, and whose own decision-making and outlook had begun to erode.
The dean recognized this in himself, but still he considered himself different, perhaps a little more purely motivated, than the rest.
As Joe Paterno might. As Penn State president Graham Spanier might. As anyone who had knowledge?even second-hand?of Jerry Sandusky?s alleged gross violations of morality and law but did little or nothing about them might.
In fictional Railton?as I suspect is the case in State College?every problem was someone else?s fault. And, where there was need for the sort of basic courage and principle most of us believe we possess, someone else?s responsibility.
?Only after we?ve done a thing do we know what we?ll do,? the dean observed, ?and by then whatever we?ve done has already begun to sever itself from clear significance, at least for the doer.?
I didn?t plan to quote the dean today. I?d hoped to quote Paterno?not from the weak, self-preserving official statement he hid behind on Monday, but rather from his direct discussions with the media Tuesday. The regularly scheduled teleconference he was supposed to have with out-of-town media. His weekly press conference with reporters in State College. Alas, both canceled almost literally at the last minute.
I?d hoped to quote Spanier, too?not from his own disingenuous official statement, but rather from a president with pulse enough to stop hiding under his desk and face this crisis of character head-on.
Paterno?s son Scott, apparently acting in the role of spokesman for his father, told reporters that the decision to cancel Paterno?s media activities was made by Spanier. Whatever. If Paterno really wanted to talk, he?d have talked. Somehow, somewhere, some way. The man?s reputation and legacy hung in the balance on Tuesday like never before.
Instead: Both the iconic old coach and the ineffectual school president?either or both of whom may be out of work soon, depending who can successfully cover his own butt?put the muzzle on talk of Sandusky and the school?s role in allowing his alleged monstrous actions to continue.
And maybe Penn State?s board of trustees, in an effort to protect the school from potential lawsuits (wad of gum, meet hole in dam), made sure to do a little muzzling, too, on the same day it reportedly began to tackle in earnest the issue of whom to fire or force into retirement.
An issue that is so beside the point, it makes me sick.
Oh, those poor boys.

How they and their families must suffer still.
I didn?t plan to quote Paterno today from the hours we spent together in his office one morning last winter, either. But I?m going to, even though I?m sure it?s not entirely fair to take him out of context like this. We were talking about the football players who arrive at Penn State from disadvantageous backgrounds, and this is what Paterno said:
?You take a kid who has had no real experience and who has no confidence in himself, who maybe comes from a broken family ? you?ve got to know what you?re doing. You?re not dealing with lamps or light posts. You?re dealing with young people.?
He could?ve been talking about the very boys who turned to Sandusky and The Second Mile. But he wasn?t. And, apparently, he never did.
Because any such talk apparently was muzzled, by himself and by his self-preserving bosses. Seems to be the Penn State way.
So what happens now? As a sordid story continues to unfold?admittedly, rendering much of what was written along the way irrelevant?perhaps Paterno will roll up his sleeves for one last fight. For his job. For his good name. For how he?ll be remembered. And all of that assuming he won?t, at some point, have to fight for his freedom.
Spanier and potentially others, too.
Paterno may fight with the same ferocity he showed in 2008, when he scoffed at claims that his program?which had seen 46 players face criminal charges over a period of five-plus years?was out of control. He bared his teeth at reporters who questioned him then. He called it a ?witch hunt.? And, indeed, it all soon blew over and everyone loved JoePa again.
He may fight like he did in 2004, when the Nittany Lions were struggling and university officials including Spanier and athletic director Tim Curley went to his house and encouraged him to step down. Paterno defiantly stood up to them all?one of the stories that made so many folks love and admire JoePa.
But it?s really not entirely charming. When criticized or challenged, even for something inarguably legitimate (see: 2008), Paterno doesn?t like to look inward. He scoffs. He mocks. Most recently, he hides behind official statements.
He becomes NoPa.
And where the unvarnished truth is concerned with this scandal growing by the hour in State College, he has been NoPa.
It?s too late for anyone in real-life Railton to undo any of the unimaginable damage Sandusky has done, but it?s not too late for Paterno, Spanier and their ilk to begin to do the right things.
To forget about appearances and self-preservation, and to fight for the only thing that matters anymore.
The victims.
 
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alexhortdog95;2031180; said:
Agreed, and here's the one thing that people are kinda side stepping:

What does Pennsylvania law say about this? Curley's attorney is basically saying "Well, the kid wasn't under our care, he was under the care of Second Mile. So he's not our responsibility."

Which then turns this into a moral issue. The purjury charges I think can stick on those that have been charged with it. But I think that's the only charge they'll make stick on those guys.
I can't say what PA law is on the topic, but what strikes me as to what their general theory seems to be can be summed up in the case of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Essentially, it is "he wasn't in our custody, we have no duty to protect him from a private actor, and we took no affirmative act in making the victim's situation worse"

I am NOT saying that this is an appropriate "excuse" Fact of the matter is, law notwithstanding, the in-action of these people is beyond mystifying. I heard on the radio on the way in, McQuery's first call was to his father, who told him to "get out of the building" and "go home" and then to call Paterno. What. The. Fuck!

STEP UP, PUNCH THE FUCKER IN THE FACE... then...
CALL THE FUCKING POLICE!
 
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alexhortdog95;2031184; said:
Already posted yesterday. I didn't get past the third page of accusations. I had to stop reading.

People need to read it. It makes some things extremely obvious:

Curley and Schultz are lying their asses off.

Spanier is either the dumbest fucker on the planet or a liar.

Second Mile and PSU (Curley, Schultz, and the attorney who represented both entities at one time) made a concerted effort to cover up the incidents.

Sandusky had been using Second Mile to access young boys for years, and anyone with two eyes and half a brain could see it.

People need to go to jail while others need to be relieved of their duties and ostracized - immediately.
 
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Saw31;2031181; said:
And there's the problem. I don't think half the people commenting in this thread have taken the time to learn everything that is in that report. Or understand that this was at minimum the 2nd time Sandusky was accused of this, along with the seemingly dozens of 'something ain't right' whispers that were circulating around him apparently throughout his time at PSU. 'Head in the sand' would be a very generous description of the PSU leadership. I believe it goes way past 'head in the sand' and into criminal neglect of their duties to society. And if its found that they were not 'criminal', then the fucking laws need changed.

I've read rumors elsewhere that the reason Sandusky was allowed to stick around was because he was blackmailing the administration. E.g., If they did not give Sandusky carte blanche he would go to the press with 50 years worth of NCAA violations he witnessed under Paterno's watch. I don't know how anyone got from Point A to Point B for that tale to grow legs, but I suppose it's plausible.

It gets even stranger as the reports trickle out this morning of the midnight meeting last night. The division within the BoT between the members of the good-old-boy network and the rest that have been deliberately kept in the dark is like something out of a bad, formulaic book. Are long standing members of the Board involved too?

I think this story is only going to get weirder.
 
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Jake;2031194; said:
People need to read it. It makes some things extremely obvious:

Curley and Schultz are lying their asses off.

Spanier is either the dumbest fucker on the planet or a liar.

Second Mile and PSU (Curley, Schultz, and the attorney who represented both entities at one time) made a concerted effort to cover up the incidents.

Sandusky had been using Second Mile to access young boys for years, and anyone with two eyes and half a brain could see it.

People need to go to jail while others need to be relieved of their duties and ostracized - immediately.

I keep hearing folks say "We don't know the identity of that young man in the showers that day with Sandusky."

Well, shiat. Sandusky knows who the hell that kid was.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;2031191; said:
I can't say what PA law is on the topic, but what strikes me as to what their general theory seems to be can be summed up in the case of DeShaney v. Winnebago County Essentially, it is "he wasn't in our custody, we have no duty to protect him from a private actor, and we took no affirmative act in making the victim's situation worse"

I am NOT saying that this is an appropriate "excuse" Fact of the matter is, law notwithstanding, the in-action of these people is beyond mystifying. I heard on the radio on the way in, McQuery's first call was to his father, who told him to "get out of the building" and "go home" and then to call Paterno. What. The. Fuck!

STEP UP, PUNCH THE FUCKER IN THE FACE... then...
CALL THE FUCKING POLICE!


Regarding bolded: Since they have yet to locate or identify the child from the shower, if that child is found to be a pile of bones under Sandusky's crawl space, the action of 'leaving the bulding' and the child to his fate, seems pretty affirmative to me.
 
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Dryden;2031195; said:
I've read rumors elsewhere that the reason Sandusky was allowed to stick around was because he was blackmailing the administration. E.g., If they did not give Sandusky carte blanche he would go to the press with 50 years worth of NCAA violations he witnessed under Paterno's watch. I don't know how anyone got from Point A to Point B for that tale to grow legs, but I suppose it's plausible.

It gets even stranger as the reports trickle out this morning of the midnight meeting last night. The division within the BoT between the members of the good-old-boy network and the rest that have been deliberately kept in the dark is like something out of a bad, formulaic book. Are long standing members of the Board involved too?

I think this story is only going to get weirder.

My thinking (no proof) is the same as yours. This all about a cover up to keep the PSU image alive over the last 10 to 20 years. It is now unraveling and everyone has dirt on everyone and nobody is going down without a fight. This is going to get even more ugly and weird from here.
 
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