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Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

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Buckeyefrankmp;2031118; said:
This is correct, but it looks like they are already trying to make McQueary the scapegoat and distance JoePa from any wrong doing. Didn't McQueary do the legal thing and tell his boss, JoePa?
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I'm flummoxed by the free pass so many are giving McQueary, who witnessed the attack. And by those who claim Paterno was involved in a knowing coverup without any real evidence that such was the case.

Looks to me like this reaction is motivated by a desire to find the highest-ranking scapegoat as opposed to assigning correct responsibility.
 
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MaxBuck;2031129; said:
I'm flummoxed by the free pass so many are giving McQueary, who witnessed the attack. And by those who claim Paterno was involved in a knowing coverup without any real evidence that such was the case.

Looks to me like this reaction is motivated by a desire to find the highest-ranking scapegoat as opposed to assigning correct responsibility.
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While I agree on McQueary, I disagree on your view on JoePa. The grand jury report shows he was told what happened. He chose to do the minimum by telling his boss when society would expect much more. Especially given his position at PSU and his message about morals. He then let Sandusky have an office at PSU, bring kids to future football practices and was well aware of the foundation Sandusky had at PSU for little boys. You can't be the face of PSU and then act ignorant when the heat comes down. If Sandusky would have violated somebody in JoePa's family he would have destroyed that man, but because it was some nameless kid, he did the minimum (along with a lot of other folks at PSU).
 
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Buckeyefrankmp;2031118; said:
Didn't McQueary do the legal thing and tell his boss, JoePa?
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It's not a question of law, it's a question of morals. McQueary witnessed the rape of a 10-year old boy in progress and left. He just left the boy there ... Further, after the incident, he didn't do anything about it for the nine years Sandusky was still hanging around the program and bringing little boys to practices and camps. If you witnessed a coworker raping a minor child, could you ever look at them again? Work with them again? Not go to the cops? Not go to your bosses and say, "What the fuck!??!?!"
 
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Poor Joe. Why would anybody expect him to ask for clarification about the acts of a sexual nature between his former right hand man and a 10 year old boy in the football showers. At a minimum to find the identity of the 10 year old boy. But that wasn't Joe's job - he was merely the head football coach who happened to run the place. Yeah, we're just looking for a scapegoat.
 
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Regardless of who did what at the time, in the days/months/YEARS that followed, NO ONE did anything to prevent another kid from being victimized by this pedophile. The guilt lies at the feet of every one of them. McQueary, Sandusky, JoePa, the AD, the DA who refused to press charges, anyone could have stepped up and put a stop to this, and yet no one did.
 
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Frohlich;2031131; said:
While I agree on McQueary, I disagree on your view on JoePa. The grand jury report shows he was told what happened. He chose to do the minimum by telling his boss when society would expect much more. Especially given his position at PSU and his message about morals. He then let Sandusky have an office at PSU, bring kids to future football practices and was well aware of the foundation Sandusky had at PSU for little boys. You can't be the face of PSU and then act ignorant when the heat comes down. If Sandusky would have violated somebody in JoePa's family he would have destroyed that man, but because it was some nameless kid, he did the minimum (along with a lot of other folks at PSU).
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Another way of looking at it is that, lacking personal knowledge of what Sandusky did, Paterno did not feel it appropriate to do more than report to his management given the horror that false accusations can cause.

It's obvious now what misery Sandusky caused to many young men (and he's admitted to that). But if what you have in hand is essentially hearsay from another person, who himself apparently saw no compelling reason to go directly to police, I can understand not wanting to be responsible for a possible false accusation - especially since the reported acts were so at odds with what Paterno's prior experience with Sandusky would lead him to expect. I do not believe that Paterno had knowledge of what Sandusky was doing. Possibly this was the result of self-delusion, but I submit most of us are susceptible to that when it comes to close friends.

People are now judging Paterno with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Paterno did not have such omniscience, and IMO those who are calling for his head are essentially expecting him to have had it.
 
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Frohlich;2031124; said:
So if you witness a child being raped doing the right thing stops at telling your boss?????? Is that all YOU would do????? So stopping the act (beating Sandusky into a pulp) and calling the cops falls nowhere on the radar of what a rational human being would do???? And while we are at it, lets let the Sandusky have an office, bring little boys to future football practices and set-up a foundation for little kids so he can keep doing it. Yup, nothing to see here, these guys did nothing wrong???????????????? REALLY????????????????????
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Did you read what I said "This is correct"? I was replying to the comment "They also are questioning why then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary, now an assistant coach, didn?t physically stop the assault". I said McQueary's actions need to be looked at. I also said they are trying to divert attention away from JoePa.
 
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Dryden;2031133; said:
It's not a question of law, it's a question of morals. McQueary witnessed the rape of a 10-year old boy in progress and left. He just left the boy there ... Further, after the incident, he didn't do anything about it for the nine years Sandusky was still hanging around the program and bringing little boys to practices and camps. If you witnessed a coworker raping a minor child, could you ever look at them again? Work with them again? Not go to the cops? Not go to your bosses and say, "What the fuck!??!?!"
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Sorry the sarcasm font was not working. I was using the same argument for McQueary that the JoePa supporters are using.
 
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MaxBuck;2031142; said:
Another way of looking at it is that, lacking personal knowledge of what Sandusky did, Paterno did not feel it appropriate to do more than report to his management given the horror that false accusations can cause.

It's obvious now what misery Sandusky caused to many young men (and he's admitted to that). But if what you have in hand is essentially hearsay from another person, who himself apparently saw no compelling reason to go directly to police, I can understand not wanting to be responsible for a possible false accusation - especially since the reported acts were so at odds with what Paterno's prior experience with Sandusky would lead him to expect. I do not believe that Paterno had knowledge of what Sandusky was doing. Possibly this was the result of self-delusion, but I submit most of us are susceptible to that when it comes to close friends.

People are now judging Paterno with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Paterno did not have such omniscience, and IMO those who are calling for his head are essentially expecting him to have had it.
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As a leader of young men and the face of PSU, you owe it to look into a case where you hear a young boy was being molested. Keep in mind he wasn't told by some random person, it was from McQueary. This is after the 98 incident already happened. Are you saying McQueary isn't trustworthy but Sandusky was. You can't have the argument both ways, I bet there is more to this story and Joe Pa is playing ignorant. Even if he isn't playing ignorant, based on what we know from the Grand Jury report, he did not do enough. As a parent, I will never agree with your opinion. Doesn't make me right, but I highly disagree with where you are coming from. You don't play around when a young child's well being is in question..NEVER!!!! At a minimum call the cops and let them sort it out. This is not something you just kick up the food chain and forget about it. That is not being a leader, that is not being a good parent/neighbor, that is not being a good citizen.

These are not the actions of a leader, they are the actions of a COWARD!!!!
 
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I can either write a lot or a little, but nothing between.

I am obviously always interested in college athletics. This story is something so surreal, so awful, it has made me cry. This is all so messed up.

I try to be rational. "Let the facts come out." "What exactly is the law in PA." Those types of things.

The court of public opinion, judging by the stories I have read, has already nailed everyone at Penn State involved. They are done.

I can think of many times where I intervened in situations I saw to be wrong despite physical danger to myself. I can't imagine how you witness freaking anal rape of a boy and don't pulverize the guy or at least get the kid away. I suppose we are all human, and it could have been something so foreign as to cause shock and inaction. I still just don't get it.

And nobody did anything.

This entire thing is just disgusting. Those boys lost their childhood. I am not father (well I will be soon) and can't imagine a father seeing something like that, or god forbid a mother, who probably would have killed the guy.

None of this makes sense.
 
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Will Joe Paterno's career survive Penn State sex scandal?



As the child sex abuse scandal that has enveloped the university continued to unfold yesterday, support from the university board of trustees for the legendary Penn State football coach and the university president was eroding, according to sources close to the board.


The consequences could be known soon. The board is scheduled to meet on Thursday and Friday, but a source said the trustees could meet as early as tonight.
Slowly, the 32-member board ? usually a rubber stamp for all items Spanier puts before it ? is taking matters into its own hands and away from the man who has served as president for 16 years.
A source close to the board said trustees worry that the public thinks they are ?dithering and not doing anything,? which couldn?t be farther from the truth.
?The board is working very concertedly to arrive at a consensus as quick as possible that?s rational and appropriate. I think there will be significant events by the board by Friday, if not sooner,? the source said.


It was the trustees ? under Office of the President letterhead ? who abruptly canceled Paterno?s weekly news conference Tuesday as about 100 media members lined up waiting for it to start.
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Another way of looking at it is that, lacking personal knowledge of what Sandusky did, Paterno did not feel it appropriate to do more than report to his management given the horror that false accusations can cause.
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Not trying to give JoPa a pass in any way, but there is more merit in this argument than many are allowing. The devil is in the details.

I know personally of one persons whose life was destroyed by a sexual molestation accusation that was later recanted.

If someone comes to me and suggests that a close friend of mine is accused of performing an act that I find him incapable of doing I have an absolute obligation to report it. Jo did so - to the next level up in the organization. Is it also his responsibility to do the investigation? To turn his friends life upside down by directly reporting an unsubstantiated report over to the police and by default likely the press?

The assumption folks are making is that Jo believed the initial report.

I too might be inclined to say "I can't believe this. But I have to tell someone." Then stand back and hope that it turns out not to be true. If nothing happens can't I breath a sigh of relief and assume that the report was in fact false?

I have already started the chain of events that might result in the destruction of my friends life. Why is it now my role to expedite those events?
 
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