Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

[ORD_Buckeye]

You know, like the huge competitive advantage tOSU received from those tattoos.......

You mean the huge competitive advantage that tOSU received from keeping knowledge of those tattoos secret which was keeping the four key starters and your star quarterback from being suspended during a national championship run season.

People need to get over the self-serving illusion that our problems were about "free tattoos." They were 1% about those tattoos and 99% about what the head of the program did with knowledge of those tattoos.

 

[AJHawkfan]

People need to get over the self-serving illusion that our problems were about "free tattoos." They were 1% about those tattoos and 99% about what the head of the program did with knowledge of those tattoos.

I understand your point, and I agree 100%. My point was (at least it was intended) to be that the rule they broke is a stupid rule and it shouldn't be illegal for athletes to trade their own possessions for anything they want. If a non-athelete can work out a deal to trade something for a tattoo, an athlete should as well.

If there's no stupid rule in place, there's nothing to cover up.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Penn State did cover up to create a competetive advantage and that was to protect the image of the school and keep donor money coming and recruits who thought they were playing for a squeeky clean program with a legendary coach at the helm.....revealing that they had a predator at the helm for years would have put them at a competetive disadvantage=NCAA sanctions

 

[Zurp]

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_fallout_will_ev.html

IronCross June 27, 2012 at 11:50AM

Has nothing to do with football program. Poor journalism once again.

I try to believe this, too. But if it really had nothing to do with the football program, would anyone have cared about this case? If there's a sex abuser found guilty 500 miles from where you live, and he has no ties to any sports or any other public position, would you know about him? The fact that this story is the size that it is tells me that it actually does have something to do with sports.

 

[BuckTwenty]

Penn State did cover up to create a competetive advantage and that was to protect the image of the school and keep donor money coming and recruits who thought they were playing for a squeeky clean program with a legendary coach at the helm.....revealing that they had a predator at the helm for years would have put them at a competetive disadvantage=NCAA sanctions

This.

 

[Woody1968]

I try to believe this, too. But if it really had nothing to do with the football program, would anyone have cared about this case? If there's a sex abuser found guilty 500 miles from where you live, and he has no ties to any sports or any other public position, would you know about him? The fact that this story is the size that it is tells me that it actually does have something to do with sports.

They do not get that the Athletic Director participated in the cover-up. Do they really think that he did it to protect the volleyball team? If he was willing to cover up child rape, what would have prevented him from covering up any NCAA violations that may or may not have occurred under his watch?

IMO, this is what allows the NCAA to root around the Penn State Pig Sty.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Penn State did cover up to create a competetive advantage and that was to protect the image of the school and keep donor money coming and recruits who thought they were playing for a squeeky clean program with a legendary coach at the helm.....revealing that they had a predator at the helm for years would have put them at a competetive disadvantage=NCAA sanctions

I agree, but the problem I see is that it's not quite the same straight line as doing something that lures a specific recruit to your program or taking a specific action (or inaction) that keeps a star player eligible.

Ped Aggy football would have taken a huge (although I believe temporary) hit had they gone public with Sandusky. For the ncaa to draw a direct, straight line connection and say that their actions aided the programs competitively by A, B and C, I don't think is that easy.

I think the better line of attack is on the whole notion of institutional control, chain of command and essentially having a football coach running the university. That's something for not only the ncaa to look into but also the AAUP and Ped Aggy's accrediting agencies.

 

[buxfan4life]

If he was willing to cover up child rape, what would have prevented him from covering up any NCAA violations that may or may not have occurred under his watch?

A million times this. How could you not investigate if it is proven there was a cover-up? Even if the AD was not directly involved, it would still show that the institution itself was complicit in trying to "save the brand" as it were, and should be grounds for a full NCAA enema.



I have to disclose that I personally am hoping for a NCAA probe, and that it brings to light all of the little rumors I have heard through old PSU players of what Joe the Enabler (some of it while he was still an assistant, these guys I know played in the 60's and early 70's) which are pretty damaging if they are true. To see the ivory glow slapped off the face of those "We win with honor" assholes would be a glorious thing.

Put it this way, if these old guys are telling the truth, then Penn State should have received the death penalty already.

 

[AJHawkfan]

Ped Aggy football would have taken a huge (although I believe temporary) hit had they gone public with Sandusky.

Yep. Actually, cutting JS loose after the first incident came to light would have earned PSU a lot of respect for doing the right thing. THAT would have been the HONORABLE thing that they are constantly crowing about......

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Misuse of athletic facilities for illegal activities would most certainly fit under the NCAA LOIC perview...

 

[Bleed S & G]

I have to disclose that I personally am hoping for a NCAA probe, and that it brings to light all of the little rumors I have heard through old PSU players of what Joe the Enabler (some of it while he was still an assistant, these guys I know played in the 60's and early 70's) which are pretty damaging if they are true. To see the ivory glow slapped off the face of those "We win with honor" assholes would be a glorious thing.

Put it this way, if these old guys are telling the truth, then Penn State should have received the death penalty already.

Nobody wants to open the violations from the 60's & 70's bag of worms....

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I agree, but the problem I see is that it's not quite the same straight line as doing something that lures a specific recruit to your program or taking a specific action (or inaction) that keeps a star player eligible.

Ped Aggy football would have taken a huge (although I believe temporary) hit had they gone public with Sandusky. For the ncaa to draw a direct, straight line connection and say that their actions aided the programs competitively by A, B and C, I don't think is that easy.

I think the better line of attack is on the whole notion of institutional control, chain of command and essentially having a football coach running the university. That's something for not only the ncaa to look into but also the AAUP and Ped Aggy's accrediting agencies.

Then why, if what we think is going to come out of this former FBI investigators private investigation comes out, would Joe Pa, Spanier and Curley hide child rape? The only answer is to protect the image of the football program so that it can continue to win....how is that different than Tress wishing away the tattoo bullshit? Its different because its worse. I agree that the hit PSU would have taken would be temporary and do no significant long term damage...but those dumb fucks didnt have that foresight in my opinion...and now they are wishing they would have ripped the band aid off then

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Then why, if what we think is going to come out of this former FBI investigators private investigation comes out, would Joe Pa, Spanier and Curley hide child rape? The only answer is to protect the image of the football program so that it can continue to win....how is that different than Tress wishing away the tattoo bull[Mark May]? Its different because its worse. I agree that the hit PSU would have taken would be temporary and do no significant long term damage...but those dumb [censored]s didnt have that foresight in my opinion...and now they are wishing they would have ripped the band aid off then

Of course what went on at Ped Aggy is infinitely worse than what went on at Ohio State or any other ncaa violator. My point is that how do you draw the straight line to competitive advantage. Yes, they protected the "image" of the program and Paterno's image specifically. That's a lot more of a convoluted argument than specific clearly delineated instances such as SMU gave 50K and a Camaro to Eric Dickerson, Miami funneled Pell Grant money to football players in essence giving their players a salary or JT withheld information of ncaa violations to keep his stars eligible. That is a straight line from the transgression to the advantage gained.

In the case of Ped Aggy, you're almost having to prove a negative to establish that line. What form is that going to take? Maybe having the stars of the 03-05 teams state that they would have chosen another school might do it, but can you really imagine that happening.

Look, I think the ped aggy football program should be shut down. I just don't think the standard ncaa violations for "competitive advantage" is the way to get there. Some larger issues of LOIC and detailing how the football program tail wagged the dog at Ped Aggy, censure and pressure by the AAU and possible loss of accreditation are--in my eyes--the best path to getting what a lot of people want: Ped Aggy's football program shut down.

In fact, I might add that what happened at ped aggy is so heinous and transcends even the worst ncaa violation incidents that to attempt to deal with it through the mechanism of ncaa enforcement cheapens it in a way. What happened at ped aggy is bigger than the football program and needs to be dealt with on a larger scale than standard misbehaving football program methods.

 

[Muck]

If only removing the real Sandusky could have been so easy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...ate-mural-activist-poet-190105452--ncaaf.html

Man hands.

 

[Muck]

In all seriousness, IMO, the NCAA likely has no business being involved in this mess.....

Agreed.

That is why NCAA member institutions need to vote to REMOVE PENN STATE FROM THE NCAA.