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Decanonized Mythologized Disgraced Ped State Monster Coach Joe Paterno (Zombie Icon)

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One thing that seems a little...inconsistent...about the grand jury report: What Mcqueary says he told to Paterno, Curley, and Schultz is different - more specific and graphic - than what each of them claim he told them. The grand jury found Mcqueary's testimony in this respect "extremely credible", and for that reason found that Curley and Schultz had perjured themselves. But whether Paterno had perjured himself on that matter seemingly wasn't even raised as a question, at least in the report. Why?
 
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zincfinger;2032533; said:
One thing that seems a little...inconsistent...about the grand jury report: What Mcqueary says he told to Paterno, Curley, and Schultz is different - more specific and graphic - than what each of them claim he told them. The grand jury found Mcqueary's testimony in this respect "extremely credible", and for that reason found that Curley and Schultz had perjured themselves. But whether Paterno had perjured himself on that matter seemingly wasn't even raised as a question, at least in the report. Why?
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Because he was Joe Pa..if it was Tom Bradley he would've been charged with perjury..The riots in Creepy Valley if Joe Pa was charged with a crime..WOW!!
 
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Jake;2032526; said:
The janitor reported it to his supervisor. Unfortunately, it didn't go any further. Way too much self preservation going on at every level. The one guy who didn't need to worry about that at the time - Joe Pa - could've overcome all of it.
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This is discussed under Victim 8, near the very end of the 23-page grand jury presentment, for those that haven't read the whole thing, and want to just find this specific portion of the report.
 
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The DA obviously dropped the ball on this one in 1998, well before Joe Paterno ever knew about this, they are more the blame than anybody other than Sandusky in my opinion. McQuary needed to be the one to go to the police, since he saw it. A good deal of blame should lie on his shoulders. He was an adult when this happened and should have known better. And he knew nothing happened, because former PSU football players have said that Sandusky was constantly around the football program for many years after 2002. Paterno is involved because he is the boss. He knew something was going on, and didn't get to the bottom of it. That's failure to control your program. This was going on at HIS school and in HIS showers. He is in charge of this stuff. He screwed up and in our world you lose your job for that. His failure to act has put the University in trouble. Who wouldn't be fired in this situation? He had more control over PSU then the President did. Both are at fault, but this was coming from Paterno's department and he had more pull in the University anyway.

But does this make Paterno a bad man? Well it doesn't make him a good one, but I don't think he is a bad man as much as he just dropped the ball. Sandusky is the bad man. McQuary and the janitor and anybody else who actually saw this happen with their own eyes, but did not tell police are morally flawed. But Paterno just lacked common sense to do what needed to be done as a leader. I doubt Paterno knew that Sandusky was continuing to hurt kids, but he had to at least wonder if that was happening. So his failure to act is somewhat disturbing. Hopefully Paterno didn't know for sure that Sandusky was continuing to rape kids, because if that is the case then he belongs in jail, along with anybody else who knew this was happening over and over and did nothing, but I see no facts of this.

McQuary needs to be fired. I can't believe they are talking about having him coach this Saturday. That's so idiotic. He needs to go for most of the same reasons Paterno needed to go, and then even some more reasons.


Bottom line is that this whole thing is gross. Hopefully what does happen is that this all brings out an awareness so that if anybody in the future sees anything like this happening, they go to police, and police do not fail to act. If Paterno getting fired, and this media circus around it, stop at least one child from being raped, then it all is a good thing.
 
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zincfinger;2032533; said:
One thing that seems a little...inconsistent...about the grand jury report: What Mcqueary says he told to Paterno, Curley, and Schultz is different - more specific and graphic - than what each of them claim he told them. The grand jury found Mcqueary's testimony in this respect "extremely credible", and for that reason found that Curley and Schultz had perjured themselves. But whether Paterno had perjured himself on that matter seemingly wasn't even raised as a question, at least in the report. Why?
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I've wondered that. I noticed that the presentment, on page 7, only says that McQueary "reported to Paterno" what he had seen, and it doesn't use specific language there.

In the next parapragh it gives what looks like a paraphrasing of JoePa's testimony when talking about what JoePa told Curley and Schultz the next day.

I think the attorney general, and/or whomever presided over the publishing of the grand jury's presentment, need to address 2 specific questions:

- Was the language of McQueary's and Paterno's testimony about what was said on that Saturday morning (the day after the March, 2000 shower incident) left out of the presentment in order to protect JoePa?

- Was the timing of the report intentionally delayed until after he reached victory #409?

Despite what Attorney General Linda Kelly said about JoePa at Monday afternoon's press conference, I think there's a possibility, now that he's no longer the head coach, that he could face perjury and/or obstruction of justice charges. It could be that Kelly didn't want to charge him while he had such power and support in the community.
 
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The DA obviously dropped the ball on this one in 1998, well before Joe Paterno ever knew about this, they are more the blame than anybody other than Sandusky in my opinion.
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Why? For not pursuing a winable case? This sort of thing happens all the time. The real people to blame are those in command who swept this under the rug. The AD, the President, etc. McQuery told them about it to their faces. All of the details. And what did they do? Nothing. That's who deserves the blame.
 
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BB73;2032550; said:
I noticed that the presentment, on page 7, only says that McQueary "reported to Paterno" what he had seen, and it doesn't use specific language there.

In the next parapragh it gives what looks like a paraphrasing of JoePa's testimony when talking about what JoePa told Curley and Schultz the next day.
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Yes, it was strange how vague the report was in describing Paterno's conversations - what he was told, what he told others - while in contrast describing very specific questions that the investigators posed to Curley and Schultz about exactly what McQueary told them.
 
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Jake;2032526; said:
The janitor reported it to his supervisor. Unfortunately, it didn't go any further. Way too much self preservation going on at every level. The one guy who didn't need to worry about that at the time - Joe Pa - could've overcome all of it.
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Exactly my point, while I can almost give a pass to the janitors for fear of being crushed, there's no excuse whatsoever for JoPa. I can't believe how shortsightedness from the top people there. Surely they had to know that this would eventually happen and the university would 1000x more tarnished afterward than it would've been had they nipped this in the bud immediately. There's just so much fail here it's hard to compute.
 
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JXC;2032546; said:
The DA obviously dropped the ball on this one in 1998, well before Joe Paterno ever knew about this, they are more the blame than anybody other than Sandusky in my opinion. McQuary needed to be the one to go to the police, since he saw it. A good deal of blame should lie on his shoulders. He was an adult when this happened and should have known better. And he knew nothing happened, because former PSU football players have said that Sandusky was constantly around the football program for many years after 2002. Paterno is involved because he is the boss. He knew something was going on, and didn't get to the bottom of it. That's failure to control your program. This was going on at HIS school and in HIS showers. He is in charge of this stuff. He screwed up and in our world you lose your job for that. His failure to act has put the University in trouble. Who wouldn't be fired in this situation? He had more control over PSU then the President did. Both are at fault, but this was coming from Paterno's department and he had more pull in the University anyway.

But does this make Paterno a bad man? Well it doesn't make him a good one, but I don't think he is a bad man as much as he just dropped the ball. Sandusky is the bad man. McQuary and the janitor and anybody else who actually saw this happen with their own eyes, but did not tell police are morally flawed. But Paterno just lacked common sense to do what needed to be done as a leader. I doubt Paterno knew that Sandusky was continuing to hurt kids, but he had to at least wonder if that was happening. So his failure to act is somewhat disturbing. Hopefully Paterno didn't know for sure that Sandusky was continuing to rape kids, because if that is the case then he belongs in jail, along with anybody else who knew this was happening over and over and did nothing, but I see no facts of this.

McQuary needs to be fired. I can't believe they are talking about having him coach this Saturday. That's so idiotic. He needs to go for most of the same reasons Paterno needed to go, and then even some more reasons.


Bottom line is that this whole thing is gross. Hopefully what does happen is that this all brings out an awareness so that if anybody in the future sees anything like this happening, they go to police, and police do not fail to act. If Paterno getting fired, and this media circus around it, stop at least one child from being raped, then it all is a good thing.
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Paterno and Penn State apparently knew in 1999 when the "retirement" of Jerry Sandusky happened. Then they saw fit to sit and watch him run a foundation (of potential victims) right under their noses. When the monster was caught red-handed in 2002 they again turned the other cheek.

They should all burn in hell for letting this happen right under their noses.
 
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The perfect final nail in joe's coffin would be if the NCAA vacated Penn states season, putting Joe below robinson's win total.

Fuck joe's legacy... At least the positive side of it.
 
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txp135;2032596; said:
Like I said, the parents failed. We are conditioned to clamor for the glamour of lavish weddings and huge diamonds. We need to get "permission" fromt he states to get married. We need prenups and postnups to protect our money. Then we turn around and chant that "it's all about the kids". We continually blame those in power then we continually give them more power.
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Tell us specifically...how did the parents fail? Details, please.
 
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Medal of Freedom nomination pulled -

2 senators pull Paterno's Medal of Freedom nomination

Pennsylvania's two senators are rescinding their nomination of Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the nation.

Sens. Bob Casey and Pat Toomey nominated Mr. Paterno in September, writing in a letter to President Obama that "Coach Paterno over the years has shown tremendous character and loyalty. Throughout his time at Penn State, he has remained committed to reaching goals without sacrificing the ideals that are central to higher education."

The senators are expected to release a statement soon about rescinding their nomination, a Toomey spokeswoman said.

The medal is awarded for an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors. Rep. Glenn Thompson, R-Centre, also nominated Mr. Paterno for the honor last year, but the coach did not make the final cut.
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