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DE Vernon Gholston (Official Thread)

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http://www.michronicleonline.com/ar...n-Gholston-A-one-man-wrecking-crew/Page1.html

Article is a few weeks old, but it's a good read on Vernon. Sounds like a great human being. This is my favorite part:

“I chose Ohio State after meeting Coach (Jim) Tressel,” said Gholston, a First Team All-Big Ten selection. “His spirituality and his sincerity was what really helped me make the decision. There was a little pressure for me to stay in the state, but I had to make the decision that was right for me. I now bleed scarlet and gray.”

Glad to see the decision working out for Big Vern!
 
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OSU's Gholston just continues to get better
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
BY Mike Popovich
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

COLUMBUS Vernon Gholston may easily be a first-round NFL draft pick if he chooses to leave Ohio State after this season.

Life in the pros is so irrelevant for the Buckeyes defensive end now, though. The BCS National Championship Game against LSU is the only thing on Gholston?s mind.

Success by Ohio State will enhance the expected rewards Gholston receives when he moves on to the pros. Failure, as they say, is not an option.

?The national championship ... that?s going to be the biggest thing in my life now,? Gholston said. ?People can say what I do in this game will affect my chances of going on to the next level. So my focus now is LSU.?

The Buckeyes have a championship-caliber defense this season. Butkus Award winner James Laurinaitis leads the way. Gholston also has wreaked havoc on opposing offenses.

Gholston tied Mike Vrabel?s single-season sack record with 13 and was named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year by the league?s coaches.

?It?s never about me,? Gholston said.

?I go out there and try to play hard within the scheme of the defense. I play with my teammates and win games. That?s most important to me. Whether I have 13 sacks or one sack, if we win every game, I?m happy.?
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At about the 1:40 mark is Gholston's sack on Morelli. Just an awesome play from a DE chasing down a QB in the open field. I love watching this play.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWTlXdi16sM]YouTube - 2007 Ohio State VS. Penn State[/ame]
 
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as this is my first post here at buckeyeplanet, let me start by saying congratulations on this past season and best of luck in the bcs bowl, i'll be rooting for your buckeyes right alongside my osu alumni uncle come next monday night.

in the interest of transparency, let me also point out that i am a st. louis rams fan who, during this past season, took a liking to vernon gholston as a 2008 draft prospect. well, as buckeye fans, you probably can't relate to of how long of a year it's been for me as a rams fan, but looking forward to 2008, i have 3 wishes -
1) vernon gholston declares for the 2008 draft
2) bill parcells does not select him with his first overall pick (and yes, not only do i think it's a possibility, i think there's a strong possibility tuna could do that)
3) the rams pick "big vern" with their 2nd overall pick

now, i'm not alone back at the rams or draft forums from wence i came. in fact, vernon has a developing constituency as the choice for the rams first round pick in april.
there are, however, the doubters. a couple of the doubters have question whether vernon could have developed physically as he has, naturally - without the use disallowed substances.
none of these "doubters" that i've come across are actually claiming that they've heard/read that he uses or has used these substances, they simply are in disbelief that anyone could get that ripped without the help.

i've read all 26 pages of this thread. i've done searches and read what i've found on vernon. nothing i've come across raises the question at all - which strikes me as a positive note.
to me, the strongest support against this suspicion is the story of when his high school coach discovered him as a 10th grader and mistakenly assumed he was a parent - that vernon was already well into weight lifting early in high school.

so the reason i posted this here is that i was curious if this question or suspicion has ever come up before about how "natural" vernons physique is. what would you point to as proof that big vern is clean, what would you arm me with to go back and convince the doubters that their suspicions are wrong?
 
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Welcome to BP. I wish I could offer more about your questions, but the right person for the job will be coming along very soon, I'm sure.

Meanwhile, I borrowed this picture from his cousin's thread. William Gholston is a 6'5" 230 pound DE/TE in the class of 2010 for Detroit (MI) Mumford High School.

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I think it just runs in the family.
 
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schwab;1044393; said:
Welcome to BP. I wish I could offer more about your questions, but the right person for the job will be coming along very soon, I'm sure.

Meanwhile, I borrowed this picture from his cousin's thread. William Gholston is a 6'5" 230 pound DE/TE in the class of 2010 for Detroit (MI) Mumford High School.

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I think it just runs in the family.
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thanks for the welcome.

whoa- you mean there's more like him !?!?
yeah, that would look to me like genetics as well.
good stuff - thanks
 
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george_allen;1044380; said:
as this is my first post here at buckeyeplanet, let me start by saying congratulations on this past season and best of luck in the bcs bowl, i'll be rooting for your buckeyes right alongside my osu alumni uncle come next monday night.

in the interest of transparency, let me also point out that i am a st. louis rams fan who, during this past season, took a liking to vernon gholston as a 2008 draft prospect. well, as buckeye fans, you probably can't relate to of how long of a year it's been for me as a rams fan, but looking forward to 2008, i have 3 wishes -
1) vernon gholston declares for the 2008 draft
2) bill parcells does not select him with his first overall pick (and yes, not only do i think it's a possibility, i think there's a strong possibility tuna could do that)
3) the rams pick "big vern" with their 2nd overall pick

now, i'm not alone back at the rams or draft forums from wence i came. in fact, vernon has a developing constituency as the choice for the rams first round pick in april.
there are, however, the doubters. a couple of the doubters have question whether vernon could have developed physically as he has, naturally - without the use disallowed substances.
none of these "doubters" that i've come across are actually claiming that they've heard/read that he uses or has used these substances, they simply are in disbelief that anyone could get that ripped without the help.

i've read all 26 pages of this thread. i've done searches and read what i've found on vernon. nothing i've come across raises the question at all - which strikes me as a positive note.
to me, the strongest support against this suspicion is the story of when his high school coach discovered him as a 10th grader and mistakenly assumed he was a parent - that vernon was already well into weight lifting early in high school.

so the reason i posted this here is that i was curious if this question or suspicion has ever come up before about how "natural" vernons physique is. what would you point to as proof that big vern is clean, what would you arm me with to go back and convince the doubters that their suspicions are wrong?
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The biggest thing that I would point to saying Vernon is clean is the fact that the NCAA tests for banned substances like growth hormone, steroids, and hormone precursors.

Here is a good list of what exactly is prohibited:

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/ed_outreach/health-safety/drug_testing/banned_drug_classes.pdf

Aside from that, there are a few things to consider. Everyone is built differently. I am 25 and about 6'0 185lbs and I work out on a very regular basis and have for years. I take nutrition very seriously and I have been able to get bigger from my 5'10 150lbs high school days. However, there are people that are genetically gifted with size, lean mass, speed, and other abilities that other aren't. I see it in the gym all the time, it?s not fair!

I think if you factor in that Vernon was 6'3 235lbs (according to scout.com) coming out of high school and has been at OSU with world class facilities, resources, coaches, training experts, any type of food, so on, and so on. Plus, aside from being a student it's basically his full time job to run, stay in shape and get bigger, stronger and better, it?s not hard to assume he has done that through natural hard work.

If Vernon gained 65 lbs over a summer break I would raise a red flag for sure, but gaining 25-30lbs and losing body fat over a 3 year span I would expect from someone who trains as hard as I think top-level football players do. If he didn?t get bigger and stronger...I would be concerned about our strength coach.

That being said, there are supplements that are available to athletes such as protein drinks, creatine, amino acids, and nitric oxide just to name a few that could also help support muscle growth as well.

After all of that, I would sum it up by saying that D-1 athletes that start in college and are NFL type players are special from like 7th grade on up. They are gifted, be it with size or speed or the determination to succeed. I think Vernon has great genetics, all the resources in the world, other top-notch athletes to train with, and the passion to be in the gym everyday and get better.

Enough for now?I will respond as those respond to me.

Go Bucks!!!! :osu:
 
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OregonBuckeye;1044400; said:
I'm going to go off-topic for a sec. Do you really want Gholtson instead of Jake Long at #2?
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that's ok, i'll stay on topic for the 2 of us - yes, with no caveats.
people cite orlando paces injuries as a reason to take long.
leonard little has also been injured the last 2 years and he's older than pace. pace will be back and barron is better than he gets credit for - there should be solid ot's available in early round 2 i think but i can't sat the same for the de's.

in my mind, gholston is a better de than j.long is an ot (or c.long is a de for that matter). to me, the only competition to vernon as the best player in the draft is mcfadden.
 
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Not sure if they're listed here, but recruiting profiles during his HS years constantly remarked about his unreal physique back then. He looked like a full grown man heading into his jr season.
 
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NP_Buckeye;1044423; said:
The biggest thing that I would point to saying Vernon is clean is the fact that the NCAA tests for banned substances like growth hormone, steroids, and hormone precursors.

Here is a good list of what exactly is prohibited:

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/ed_outreach/health-safety/drug_testing/banned_drug_classes.pdf

Aside from that, there are a few things to consider. Everyone is built differently. I am 25 and about 6'0 185lbs and I work out on a very regular basis and have for years. I take nutrition very seriously and I have been able to get bigger from my 5'10 150lbs high school days. However, there are people that are genetically gifted with size, lean mass, speed, and other abilities that other aren't. I see it in the gym all the time, it?s not fair!

I think if you factor in that Vernon was 6'3 235lbs (according to scout.com) coming out of high school and has been at OSU with world class facilities, resources, coaches, training experts, any type of food, so on, and so on. Plus, aside from being a student it's basically his full time job to run, stay in shape and get bigger, stronger and better, it?s not hard to assume he has done that through natural hard work.

If Vernon gained 65 lbs over a summer break I would raise a red flag for sure, but gaining 25-30lbs and losing body fat over a 3 year span I would expect from someone who trains as hard as I think top-level football players do. If he didn?t get bigger and stronger...I would be concerned about our strength coach.

That being said, there are supplements that are available to athletes such as protein drinks, creatine, amino acids, and nitric oxide just to name a few that could also help support muscle growth as well.

After all of that, I would sum it up by saying that D-1 athletes that start in college and are NFL type players are special from like 7th grade on up. They are gifted, be it with size or speed or the determination to succeed. I think Vernon has great genetics, all the resources in the world, other top-notch athletes to train with, and the passion to be in the gym everyday and get better.

Enough for now?I will respond as those respond to me.

Go Bucks!!!! :osu:
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thanks for taking the time to provide this in-depth response. after reading the comments from his high school coach, seeing the picture of his cousin and seeing the posts remarking on his condition at the beginning of this very thread over 3 years ago, i would agree it sure looks genetics and his recent growth is certainly within the means of the osu program.

the push back i generally see in response to the fact that vernon has't failed a test is that the ncaa only tests about 3% of all athletes so it's highly unlikely that he's been tested. i haven't seen a thorough description from the original source on the ncaa testing program to be able to validate the 3% claim, but that's the come-back.

and oh, btw, happy new year buckeye nation !
 
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