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DE Noah Spence (Official Thread)

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I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why every time there is a drug related offence by a student athlete, we have these same stupid discussions about whose fault it is, or should this or that drug be legal or considered this way or that. Illegal is illegal until the powers that be state otherwise. The blame goes everywhere else but on the person who is actually responsible.

This isn't another failed Gene Smith appeal, this isn't a cultural problem in the program, this isn't anyone's fault but Noah Spence's. He knew the rules when he signed his LOI and he chose to live outside of those rules. It is what it is.

Wish him well (and the future knuckleheads that will follow in his footsteps) and move on.
 
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Because we seem to live in a college football world in which no good deed (i.e., having standards) goes unpunished, he'll probably transfer to an SEC team, be an All-American, and defeat OSU in the NC game with a critical sack on 4th and 3 with a minute left. Despite that, I hope he stays clean and finds success one way or another.
 
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ScarletInMyVeins said:
I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why every time there is a drug related offence by a student athlete, we have these same stupid discussions about whose fault it is, or should this or that drug be legal or considered this way or that. Illegal is illegal until the powers that be state otherwise. The blame goes everywhere else but on the person who is actually responsible.

This isn't another failed Gene Smith appeal, this isn't a cultural problem in the program, this isn't anyone's fault but Noah Spence's. He knew the rules when he signed his LOI and he chose to live outside of those rules. It is what it is.

Wish him well (and the future knuckleheads that will follow in his footsteps) and move on.
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I don't think anyone's seriously blaming Gene on this one: It's just fun to pile on for past dipshittery. And everyone's blaming Noah: It's perfectly possible to do that and still think that the policy is dumb in light of other NCAA and BIG policies.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
Because we seem to live in a college football world in which no good deed (i.e., having standards) goes unpunished, he'll probably transfer to an SEC team, be an All-American, and defeat OSU in the NC game with a critical sack on 4th and 3 with a minute left. Despite that, I hope he stays clean and finds success one way or another.
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Sec school? He will likely go through workouts and camps and show well enough to get drafted next year.
 
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ScarletInMyVeins said:
I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why every time there is a drug related offence by a student athlete, we have these same stupid discussions about whose fault it is, or should this or that drug be legal or considered this way or that. Illegal is illegal until the powers that be state otherwise. The blame goes everywhere else but on the person who is actually responsible.

This isn't another failed Gene Smith appeal, this isn't a cultural problem in the program, this isn't anyone's fault but Noah Spence's. He knew the rules when he signed his LOI and he chose to live outside of those rules. It is what it is.

Wish him well (and the future knuckleheads that will follow in his footsteps) and move on.
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Regarding your first paragraph, the reason why it's been so controversial is because of the asinine category that they have ecstasy under. He didn't get permanently banned because he took a drug, he got banned because he took a "performance enhancing drug." As in, him rolling hard gave him an advantage on the football field. Now I get that after his first offense it is 100% on him, and he either knew or at least should have known a second offense would be a complete ban. But that doesn't change the fact that the category it is under is completely stupid. I'd like to hear the B1G's reasoning for why ecstasy is a PED. As if the sudden urge to dance and grind on people results in stronger tackling techniques?
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Regarding your first paragraph, the reason why it's been so controversial is because of the asinine category that they have ecstasy under. He didn't get permanently banned because he took a drug, he got banned because he took a "performance enhancing drug." As in, him rolling hard gave him an advantage on the football field. Now I get that after his first offense it is 100% on him, and he either knew or at least should have known a second offense would be a complete ban. But that doesn't change the fact that the category it is under is completely stupid. I'd like to hear the B1G's reasoning for why ecstasy is a PED. As if the sudden urge to dance and grind on people results in stronger tackling techniques?
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Urge to drink huge amounts of water leads to a hydration advantage?
 
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Hurts to see this. Especially because football gives such great motivation, purpose, a sense of identity to many young men. Its a big reason a lot of kids aren't in more trouble across this country.
I do hope Noah can stay focused on his healthy and perhaps get a shot at the league one day.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
Actually, it is.

It's not a public defenders fault when their clients break the law, but if their clients consistently get the death penalty for jaywalking they still suck at their job.
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Look I've wanted Smith out since he failed to show up at the first press conference and announce that Jim Tressel was no longer the head coach at Ohio State University. You can't blame this on Smith though. The NCAA/Big Ten policy is pretty straightforward and the appeal was nothing but a formality and certain to get shot down. This is 100% on Noah Spence, and he has only himself to blame.
 
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