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DE Noah Spence (Official Thread)

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MaxBuck said:
You evidently have never been victimized yourself by someone you assumed was neither sinister nor a harmful prankster.

Lucky you. Some of us aren't so fortunate, and do not ourselves believe that whatever price we pay for someone else's actions is appropriate.

If Spence did it, he deserves the punishment. If he's the victim, he doesn't. Not being either Nostradamus nor God myself, I don't know which is the case.
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Yep, been victimized by people I assumed were not out to hurt me. My point is that in each and every case, I made choices that created the conditions that allowed them to victimize me. There's no shame in getting victimized... once. There is shame in not learning what choices you made that allowed it to happen and allow it to happen again and again. This is why you don't have to be God or a seer to say that even if his version of events is the truth, he has to take personal responsibility for what he did that allowed it to happen.

When I hear the "I'm innocent and have been victimized" response, I'm not hearing, "I was in the wrong place, with the wrong people, at the wrong time, and made the wrong choice." Plus, the former is most likely a rationalization that equates to a lie to avoid responsibility and accountability. Either way, that's not the path to a good place.
 
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I guess I do not understand why Noah's father came out and publicly stated that his son was slipped some ecstasy and why he is going to sue the Big Ten. If he was not going to sue the Big Ten, I do not think anyone outside of their family what have known what happened but maybe I am just being ignorant.
 
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OSUK said:
Yep, been victimized by people I assumed were not out to hurt me. My point is that in each and every case, I made choices that created the conditions that allowed them to victimize me. There's no shame in getting victimized... once. There is shame in not learning what choices you made that allowed it to happen and allow it to happen again and again. This is why you don't have to be God or a seer to say that even if his version of events is the truth, he has to take personal responsibility for what he did that allowed it to happen.

When I hear the "I'm innocent and have been victimized" response, I'm not hearing, "I was in the wrong place, with the wrong people, at the wrong time, and made the wrong choice." Plus, the former is most likely a rationalization that equates to a lie to avoid responsibility and accountability. Either way, that's not the path to a good place.
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Choices are easy, its living with them that is the bitch....
 
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