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DE Noah Spence (Official Thread)

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sparcboxbuck said:
SIAP, but if someone did spike his drink and he has a rough idea who it is, wouldn't they be liable for something? Like a significant ass kicking?
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Everyone is liable for something. We just might not know the legal theory, yet.

Greg Spence also said the family is planning to sue the Big Ten.
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http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/01/07/noah-spence-suspension.html

I am trying to imagine how this will go. My only legal education comes from the school of hard knocks.

They subpoena 5 people and ask them if they spiked the drink. They all plead the fifth, because NO one can afford to say yes under oath. They ask 20 people if they drank something that was spiked, and they all plead the fifth because no victim can admit to taking an illegal substance, or best case, they were underage and knew it was at least alcoholic. Even if someone knew it was spiked but did not call CPD, that might be conspiracy.

Or maybe they get the B1G to relent, but then the NCAA will pile on.

And if the B1G will not roll over and play dead like all tOSU fans would want, Noah will have played in the NFL and had a career ending injury before it goes to trial.

I am interested in seeing how this will all work.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
Would you feel the same way if it was weed?
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I was at a party once, and I was smoking this pipe with water in it. Then I got light headed. I guess some guy put weed in it. Who'd have thunk it. I mean, at waterbeds and stuff it says "for tobacco use only" on all the nifty glass pipes. So, hey, you know, now I know. ALWAYS smoke the ones with water in them at parties.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Personally, if people want to shoot up in the privacy of their own homes, I don't care.

I don't care if people do drugs, does that make me a bad person?
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At the risk of going very badly off-topic here, it depends on what you mean. If you're saying you think people should have the legal right to use any and all drugs then no, I don't think that makes you a bad person. (As an aside, I think people who advocate full drug legalization, an idea I personally am somewhat inclined toward, should drop the "stop judging me" routine. Because from my perspective they often tend to be more sanctimonious in their views than people who favor continuing enforcement of anti-drug laws).

If instead you were saying that the prospect of any person using any drug is a matter of complete personal indifference to you, then first I would suspect that you're not being entirely honest, and second I would think that you were describing an attitude that, at minimum, is cavalier about people harming themselves and possibly others. Not a "bad person" per se, but at least a somewhat thoughtless one.

But drug legalization wasn't what my initial question was about. Even if you accept that some particular activity should have no legal repercussions it doesn't follow from that that it should have no repercussions of any kind, and to that point there are quite a few things that are legal to do, but if an OSU football player does them he will receive some justifiable, non-legal repercussions. At any rate, my question pertained to this: someone suggested that recreational drug use, with the example of pot, is common enough among college students and relatively harmless enough that it shouldn't be made into a big deal for OSU football players. That may be a defensible position, at least with respect to pot. My question was whether he really intended that principle for all illegal drugs, or only for some subset of illegal drugs (presumably including ecstasy) that he deemed relatively harmless.
 
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Do we have a cop on the forum? How many times are drugs found in a car, and no one in the car knows a single thing about it? Every time. "Oh, my cousin used this car. It must be his."

I heard some of this kind of bull as I was raising my son. I never bought it for a minute and held him accountable at the very small risk that he was telling the truth, and I was being unjust. Several years later he tells me I was right on each of those. Transparency, responsibility, and accountability are 3 things that young people run from. If you are someone who has authority over them, you would be wise to assume that they are obfuscating, shirking, and blame-shifting. Otherwise, they will keep thinking that works and they will keep doing it - which will not lead them to good places.

Anyone who gets hurt in a situation like this made the choices that put them in a vulnerable positiion. Let's assume Spence's story is true. He chose to go to a party, he chose to drink, and he chose to take a drink without knowing what was in it. If he doesn't go, doesn't drink, or doesn't take a drink from someone else, no suspension. That's what he needs to focus on OR just own it outright.

I hope he had 3 games worth of fun at that party because that's what it is going to cost him. If he learns transparency, responsibility, and accountability from it, it could be a good thing in the end. Otherwise, he is at risk of becoming another uber talented kid who makes a series of bad choices that damages his future. We will see.
 
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OSUK said:
Do we have a cop on the forum? How many times are drugs found in a car, and no one in the car knows a single thing about it? Every time. "Oh, my cousin used this car. It must be his."

I heard some of this kind of bull as I was raising my son. I never bought it for a minute and held him accountable at the very small risk that he was telling the truth, and I was being unjust. Several years later he tells me I was right on each of those. Transparency, responsibility, and accountability are 3 things that young people run from. If you are someone who has authority over them, you would be wise to assume that they are obfuscating, shirking, and blame-shifting. Otherwise, they will keep thinking that works and they will keep doing it - which will not lead them to good places.

Anyone who gets hurt in a situation like this made the choices that put them in a vulnerable positiion. Let's assume Spence's story is true. He chose to go to a party, he chose to drink, and he chose to take a drink without knowing what was in it. If he doesn't go, doesn't drink, or doesn't take a drink from someone else, no suspension. That's what he needs to focus on OR just own it outright.

I hope he had 3 games worth of fun at that party because that's what it is going to cost him. If he learns transparency, responsibility, and accountability from it, it could be a good thing in the end. Otherwise, he is at risk of becoming another uber talented kid who makes a series of bad choices that damages his future. We will see.
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You evidently have never been victimized yourself by someone you assumed was neither sinister nor a harmful prankster.

Lucky you. Some of us aren't so fortunate, and do not ourselves believe that whatever price we pay for someone else's actions is appropriate.

If Spence did it, he deserves the punishment. If he's the victim, he doesn't. Not being either Nostradamus nor God myself, I don't know which is the case.
 
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MaxBuck said:
You evidently have never been victimized yourself by someone you assumed was neither sinister nor a harmful prankster.

Lucky you. Some of us aren't so fortunate, and do not ourselves believe that whatever price we pay for someone else's actions is appropriate.
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If you ever go into a strip club on Bourbon Street and order 2 Miller Lites and the barmaid says, "Wouldn't you like a Red Bull and vodka," I advise you that your answer should not be, "Why yes, that sounds refreshing."
 
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AKAK said:
I was at a party once, and I was smoking this pipe with water in it. Then I got light headed. I guess some guy put weed in it. Who'd have thunk it. I mean, at waterbeds and stuff it says "for tobacco use only" on all the nifty glass pipes. So, hey, you know, now I know. ALWAYS smoke the ones with water in them at parties.
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Hookah bars and people with hookas nowadays is very popular......even with people who have no intention of smoking weed
 
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