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DE/LB Thaddeus Gibson (official thread)

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3074326;1637419; said:
Gibson a better prospect, Gholston a higher ceiling (maybe)

But from what we've seen of Vern, he isn't coming close to that ceiling.
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They're just a bad comparison. Much different players. Vernon was a bull-rusher with excellent straight line speed in a 265 pound maxed out frame. Vernon's biggest weakness was lateral movement and changing direction.

Thaddeus is much better laterally, has the same straight line speed, but is less explosive at the LOS. Vernon can't reach his ceiling b/c he's playing the wrong position....OLB. And if you try and move him to DE, he's an awful fit in the 3-4 at 265 as a hole plugger.

As much fun as it was to watch Thaddeus get to the QB, his most jaw-dropping plays to me were chasing down RB's 7 yards upfield, or diagnosing a quick hitting play, and chasing down the receiver in the middle of the field or out on a bubble screen.

From anyone's recollection....who looked more comfortable when dropping into to coverage as a Buckeye? Vernon or Thaddeus? It's Thaddeus by a longshot.

Again, I just hope Vernon makes a wise move come free agency, and picks a team that wants an edge rusher in a 4-3 scheme. I said it earlier, but unfortunately the worst thing Vernon did for his career to this point was running a blistering 4.6 40 at 265 pounds giving everyone (including myself) the notion that he was fast enough to be a LB in the NFL. While Vern may be fast enough, he isn't nearly agile or laterally capable of it. He needs to line up at DE in a 4-3 and play off his instincts.

I think Thaddeus closely resembles Lawrence Timmons of Pittsburgh who is 6'1 and 235. Timmons has gotten better every year in Pittsburgh after playing DE at Florida State. I think Gibson has a higher ceiling and better measurables. Thad is going to make some team very happy for the distant future...
 
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billmac91;1637437; said:
They're just a bad comparison. Much different players. Vernon was a bull-rusher with excellent straight line speed in a 265 pound maxed out frame. Vernon's biggest weakness was lateral movement and changing direction.
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I agree 100%. I actually made a comparison early in this thread...

He's like a less-hyped Gholston who is better at football and a more versatile athlete.
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..essentially stating that the only way they're similar is that they rushed a lot of QBs at OSU. :biggrin:
 
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We all know how important the workouts are at the combine, but there?s that fine line between ?workout warrior? and ?physically gifted football player? that NFL teams have to fret over each year. One guy who I think could give evaluators some trouble is Ohio State defensive end Thaddeus Gibson. Gibson is an undersized pass rusher at 6-2, 240 pounds, but he exhibits an explosive first step off the edge and is capable of running/working out extremely well. However, when watching tape of him, I think he falls into the category of ?physically gifted but raw.? He has all the makings of a big-time 3-4 OLB, but he?s still polishing out some rough edges to his game. Now, if Gibson runs wells and showcases elite speed, will he get over-drafted? Most likely. But with time, I think he has the ability to mature into an impact pass rusher off the edge.
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Early entry juniors: Part I | National Football Post

Kiper...

Thaddeus Gibson, DE, Ohio State Buckeyes: An interesting guy. I see Gibson as more of a stand-up outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense, and there are a lot of them in this draft class. He had his hand on the ground a lot, so it'll be an adjustment, but his size (6-foot-2, 240) fits. Another guy that I think could use another year, but I still see him as a player with second-round potential in April.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4808424
 
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sandgk;1635300; said:
1.2 to 2.x million range

Plus there is the salary - which for a 3-year deal nets typically 1 million per annum (which is not guaranteed, unlike the signing bonus).

Contracts for David Veikune or Everette Brown possibly indicative.
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TheIronColonel;1635339; said:
In case anyone doubts the power of a signing bonus, the low-end for a mid second rounder is reportedly around $1.5-$2,000,000. Even low-yield safe investments (say, a 10 year guaranteed annuity) yield in the ballpark of 3% annually. With some creativity (i.e. deferring taxes), putting that bonus in such an annuity would yield $45,000-$60,000 / year. That's not going to make you rich, but you could easily retire (at age 23) on that.

The point being, once you get that signing bonus, even if you never play a down you can live a very comfortable life.
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Re: UFA (Unrestricted free agent) - A player who has completed four or more accrued seasons and whose contract has expired.

Also, asuming the UFA rules (i.e. NFLPA labor agreement) remains the same, by coming out this year he would be a UFA one year sooner. If he proves himself during the first 4 years he will be in line for "a really big payday" when he hits the UFA status. :biggrin:
 
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OH10;1639089; said:
He's more versatile than Gholsten and plays the run better. But I think he's a 4-3 end, not a 3-4 backer.
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He'd have to put on a bit more weight to even be a 4-3 rush end.

Gholston was a solid 265, but with freak strength. Gibson is 240ish, while he's no weakling - he's certainly not the gladiator that big Vern may have been.

He'll make a fine 3-4 OLB.
 
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If Thad weighs 240 today, that would mean he hasn't gained an ounce since the beginning of his Soph season. I find that hard to believe (gained 33lbs between Fr and So). The OSU official roster doesn't always update the stats.

Regardless, I think NFL teams will be looking at Thad as a player who can play in space as well as pass rush. This year's DL (including Cam and Doug) were trusted to drop back into coverage on a regular basis, and they usually looked comfortable in that role. Plus, Thad played LB until last season, he was moved to DE because of the logjam behind Laurinaitis and Freeman.
 
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