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DB Eugene Clifford (official thread)

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sandgk;1126554; said:
NCAA participation report indicates took part in first 4 games, none thereafter.

That is within the rules to qualify for medical redshirt.
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I might be crazy, but I thought the new rule was that you can only apply for a medical redshirt after you've exhausted eligibility. So in this case, Gene would apply for a medical redshirt last year after his senior year (if he chose to stay). I thought this rule was why Mauk didn't know if he could return to Cincy until after his senior year. Couldn't find any info on ncaa.org, anybody know the rule?
 
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MUBuck;1126565; said:
I might be crazy, but I thought the new rule was that you can only apply for a medical redshirt after you've exhausted eligibility. So in this case, Gene would apply for a medical redshirt last year after his senior year (if he chose to stay). I thought this rule was why Mauk didn't know if he could return to Cincy until after his senior year. Couldn't find any info on ncaa.org, anybody know the rule?
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I'll give you being crazy - :tongue2:

Seriously though you are talking chalk and cheese.

Clifford's case is by the numbers, literally:
(c) The injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution's scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only scheduled or completed competition (including exempted events but excluding scrimmages and exhibition contests identified as such in the legislation) against outside participants during the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07 applicable to student-athletes who initially enrolled full time in a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/03)
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Complete No More than 30% of completed or scheduled contests (13 such contests with Bowl Game included) - all of which happens in first half of the season.
Thus 30% is 3.9 - rounds up to 4. Which is exactly the number of games in which Clifford participated before getting his injury.
 
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sandgk;1126589; said:
Complete No More than 30% of completed or scheduled contests (13 such contests with Bowl Game included) - all of which happens in first half of the season.
Thus 30% is 3.9 - rounds up to 4. Which is exactly the number of games in which Clifford participated before getting his injury.
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I think MUBuck's point is that it's not that he won't qualify for the medical redshirt down the road but rather that he cannot yet apply for it until all other eligibility is exhausted. That's the way the rules were before, so unless those have changed Eugene cannot yet apply for that medical redshirt.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1126593; said:
I think MUBuck's point is that it's not that he won't qualify for the medical redshirt down the road but rather that he cannot yet apply for it until all other eligibility is exhausted. That's the way the rules were before, so unless those have changed Eugene cannot yet apply for that medical redshirt.
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That's exactly what I was saying. If that's true, then Gene would be a sophomore with the option of attaining a medical redshirt later on.
 
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MUBuck;1126597; said:
That's exactly what I was saying. If that's true, then Gene would be a sophomore with the option of attaining a medical redshirt later on.
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Yup... this wouldn't be the first time it seems as though it's assumed. I'm guessing they either make some informal inquiries or are familiar enough with the process to know when it's a certainty.
 
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the arguments here, but it would seem to me that Eugene does NOT need to wait and apply for a medical redshirt if he meets the requirements of a general redshirt, that being not playing in more than 30% of his team's games. If he already has the regular redshirt based on games played in, why wait and apply for the medical variety? He shouldn't need to.
 
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Well the other interesting aspect of this is that I find nowhere in the NCAA regulations any stipulation that a medical hardship waiver be tacked on to the regular clock. Rather, it reads as a formal process that resets the clock - within the 5 year window for four years of playing eligibility. Not doubting the answer - I just don't find proof anywhere.

So maybe I'm missing something. What I'm not missing though is that Mauk's case was real chalk and cheese versus Clifford's (which seems pretty straighforward). And it makes for a little interesting reading.

Mauk redshirted at Wake Forest in '03. He was eligible in '04, '05 and '06 - playing in 17 games in 04 and 05, but only one fateful contest against Syracuse in 06 (their opening game) - after which he underwent extensive surgery on his broken arm and missed the remainder of the season.

Mauk then transfers to UC - as a graduate student, taking advantage of a rule that has now been rescinded, and is thus able to play, immediately - no missing a year of competition, one more year within the standard 5-year window. Only then does an application take place to support a medical hardship waiver? Seems odd to me that the process works backwards. But the most striking part is that Mauk was able to take a redshirt early - and it was on that basis that his appeal for a Medical Waiver was shot down. Because of ByLaw 30.6.1.2 (redshirt is under control of student / institution - not a missed playing opportunity) - not because of the provisions of ByLaw 14.2 - under which NCAA places the Hardship waiver.

So with one player you have the normal use of the redshirt. The application of immediate play after transfer for graduate student players (since when said rule was scrubbed). Then the application for a medical hardship waiver - refused, not because the NCAA doesn't agree that Mauk was broken up in game 1 of 2006, no it all happens because he took that redshirt while unharmed and healthy in year one.
 
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thackattack;1126608; said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the arguments here, but it would seem to me that Eugene does NOT need to wait and apply for a medical redshirt if he meets the requirements of a general redshirt, that being not playing in more than 30% of his team's games. If he already has the regular redshirt based on games played in, why wait and apply for the medical variety? He shouldn't need to.
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I think there's a difference between a regular redshirt and a medical redshirt. Once you play a down in a season, you just burned your eligibility for that year, whereas you can get that year back (medical redshirt) if you played in less than 30% of the games. So, since he played last year he cannot be redshirted in the normal fashion, but he'll have the option once his four years of eligibility are exhausted of applying for an additional year of eligibility due to his injury and playing less than 30% of the games (medical redshirt).
 
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