Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[sparcboxbuck]

Assuming it's misinformation...

To say we're doing even an OK job as a country is laughable. Maybe when football season comes around we'll all be distracted enough to.....oh, wait.

What specific, realistic health related goal hasn’t been met with social distancing and the shelter in place?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

What specific, realistic health related goal hasn’t been met with social distancing and the shelter in place?

I don't judge things based off of goals that were guessed at when this whole thing started. I just look around and see that cases are spiking in this country while not in other countries....I don't believe it's just because we're testing more or we're the only country not lying about it. I see college football going from "I don't see why we won't have a season" to "I can't imagine we'll have a season" in about a month's time. I see my wife's healthcare company move from bringing people back before any other business around here....to pushing it back to the middle of this month....to today being told they aren't bringing people back and they'll have to stay working remote. I guess if you want to force me to answer a set up question like that, I'd say the specific, realistic goal of the curve flattening and staying flat/downward instead of showing signs of a normal bell curve PSYCH JUST KIDDING HOLD MY BEER CHECK THIS OUT.

It's either that or all the CNN I don't ever watch.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I guess if you want to force me to answer a set up question like that, I'd say the specific, realistic goal of the curve flattening and staying flat/downward instead of showing signs of a normal bell curve PSYCH JUST KIDDING HOLD MY BEER CHECK THIS OUT.

We had the opportunity to go the "bell curve" route five months ago by saying "Fuck it, business as usual" and let the virus run amok. Two things would've happened had we done so:

1. A shit-ton of hospitals would've likely been overrun and we'd likely have 5-10 times as many deaths (my guess on that number).
2. We'd be over this by now, there would've been no economic disaster or spike in suicides, and we'd be playing football in six weeks.

The powers that be decided that option 1 was better than option 2. We've not only had the curve flattened, we've had a steady downward trajectory in the death rate for the last three months.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

We had the opportunity to go the "bell curve" route five months ago by saying "Fuck it, business as usual" and let the virus run amok. Two things would've happened had we done so:

1. A shit-ton of hospitals would've likely been overrun and we'd likely have 5-10 times as many deaths (my guess on that number).
2. We'd be over this by now, there would've been no economic disaster or spike in suicides, and we'd be playing football in six weeks.

The powers that be decided that option 1 was better than option 2. We've not only had the curve flattened, we've had a steady downward trajectory in the death rate for the last three months.

I don't subscribe to that either or. I do subscribe to what appeared to be a flattening curve until we decided to be the dumbest country in the world and open back up too soon.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I don't subscribe to that either or. I do subscribe to what appeared to be a flattening curve until we decided to be the dumbest country in the world and open back up too soon.

While the case curve has swung up, the death curve remains flat, and that's includes accounting for the 2+ weeks since the case rate started to zoom up. If we were to "close back up" to get the case rate back down to where it was 2-3 weeks ago, how long are you comfortable keeping the country locked down to that degree?

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

This virus sucks more dick than Mark May and stinks like shit worse than TSUN. Ok that last part was a stretch.

 

[Hstead]

Assuming it's misinformation...

To say we're doing even an OK job as a country is laughable. Maybe when football season comes around we'll all be distracted enough to.....oh, wait.

You are the guy that thinks the rest of the world has figured Covid out. That is beyond an ignorant statement. One then has to decide why you are so misinformed? Why did you make that statement? Do you really think the rest of the world has figured it out? Do you not read the news? It is hard to miss really. I do not feel like linking the hundreds of articles to the countries I mentioned that are having more problems than we are.

 

[Hstead]

I don't judge things based off of goals that were guessed at when this whole thing started. I just look around and see that cases are spiking in this country while not in other countries....I don't believe it's just because we're testing more or we're the only country not lying about it. OUT.

It's either that or all the CNN I don't ever watch.

Okay so this is the second time you have made this totally misinformed ignorant statement. So I will do a little leg work for you since you can't seem to change the channel.

This story is two hours old:
Millions under new Australia lockdown as global virus cases soar
https://news.yahoo.com/us-infections-top-three-million-trump-begins-pullout-173229021.html

Global means world if that helps. This took me about thirty seconds to find these articles. Your statements are past ridiculous. Like I said, the US is experiencing similar issues as other countries that for some reason you think have it "figured out". C'mon man.

This is from today:
COVID-19 infections spike in US, India and Brazil, while virus hits ‘full speed’ in Africa
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/n...0200709-islevln3efellg3wnfwg4qeof4-story.html

Two weeks ago:
Asia Today: India's cases spike again to near half-million
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-spike-again-to-near-half-million/ar-BB15YIIk

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

While the case curve has swung up, the death curve remains flat, and that's includes accounting for the 2+ weeks since the case rate started to zoom up. If we were to "close back up" to get the case rate back down to where it was 2-3 weeks ago, how long are you comfortable keeping the country locked down to that degree?

The death curve thing is incredibly interesting to me. Do we think the virus has weakened, we're better at treating it, or older people are staying safer than earlier? Or a combo of all 3? I feel like the natural reaction to seeing the case count go up is that the deaths will follow.....and the fact that that hasn't happened is amazing.

I don't see a "closing back up" as a black and white thing. There are some states doing it better than others....so not a complete shutdown the way we were previously. Avoiding politics as much as I can, but the fear of people losing their livelihood would be helped if the fucks in DC weren't handing out money to billion dollar industries, and instead handed it out to those that need it. And, as has been said in this thread a few times lately...wear your mask, wash your hands, social distance.

Of course, figuring out what is necessary on a state by state or even county by county basis takes a lot of work....so nobody is going to actually do it. And the dumbass public isn't going to listen anyways.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Okay so this is the second time you have made this totally misinformed ignorant statement. So I will do a little leg work for you since you can't seem to change the channel.

This story is two hours old:
Millions under new Australia lockdown as global virus cases soar
https://news.yahoo.com/us-infections-top-three-million-trump-begins-pullout-173229021.html

Global means world if that helps. This took me about thirty seconds to find these articles. Your statements are past ridiculous. Like I said, the US is experiencing similar issues as other countries that for some reason you think have it "figured out". C'mon man.

This is from today:
COVID-19 infections spike in US, India and Brazil, while virus hits ‘full speed’ in Africa
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/n...0200709-islevln3efellg3wnfwg4qeof4-story.html

Two weeks ago:
Asia Today: India's cases spike again to near half-million
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-spike-again-to-near-half-million/ar-BB15YIIk

Ah fuck....my bad. I was being 100% literal when I said the rest of the world figured it out. CNN told me that literally every single other person in the entire world outside of the US is not only COVID-free, but their cure actually cured AIDS, cancer, and depression also. And here you're telling me that's not the truth? Shit.

 

[Hstead]

Ah fuck....my bad. I was being 100% literal when I said the rest of the world figured it out. CNN told me that literally every single other person in the entire world outside of the US is not only COVID-free, but their cure actually cured AIDS, cancer, and depression also. And here you're telling me that's not the truth? Shit.

You are the person that stated it twice. Like it was fact.

Act like you didn't mean it now that you look foolish but here is exactly what you said the second time.
"I just look around and see that cases are spiking in this country while not in other countries"

Evidently you didn't look around very far?

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I don't judge things based off of goals that were guessed at when this whole thing started. I just look around and see that cases are spiking in this country while not in other countries....I don't believe it's just because we're testing more or we're the only country not lying about it. I see college football going from "I don't see why we won't have a season" to "I can't imagine we'll have a season" in about a month's time. I see my wife's healthcare company move from bringing people back before any other business around here....to pushing it back to the middle of this month....to today being told they aren't bringing people back and they'll have to stay working remote. I guess if you want to force me to answer a set up question like that, I'd say the specific, realistic goal of the curve flattening and staying flat/downward instead of showing signs of a normal bell curve PSYCH JUST KIDDING HOLD MY BEER CHECK THIS OUT.

It's either that or all the CNN I don't ever watch.

I think that’s a reasonable feeling to have. And much of it I share. That said, I also think that it’s nearly impossible to manage / govern based on those kinds of feelings. The objective critieria laid out initially, flattening the curve to not overrun the health care capacity, seems to have been achieved for the most part. No question, in some geographies it may have been closer to capacity than we would have liked.

Using your criteria even, I think that what has been done, can be viewed largely as successful. With reopening, I’m sure that we all expected some level of uptick in cases. And if the processes are in place to manage a soft landing, albeit with a few bumps due to turbulence, it won’t be too bad. How policy is dictated as we see numbers come out will be interesting to watch. I do suspect that there will be pushback from a vocal minority but the vast majority will do their part.

But at the end of the day, those who are making decisions need objective criteria to work with. And while this hasn’t been comfortable for anyone, regardless of perspective on what those objectives should be, there’s a saying that rings true about the best compromises leaving both sides dissatisfied. There’s a part of me that is buying into that.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I think that’s a reasonable feeling to have. And much of it I share. That said, I also think that it’s nearly impossible to manage / govern based on those kinds of feelings. The objective critieria laid out initially, flattening the curve to not overrun the health care capacity, seems to have been achieved for the most part. No question, in some geographies it may have been closer to capacity than we would have liked.

Using your criteria even, I think that what has been done, can be viewed largely as successful. With reopening, I’m sure that we all expected some level of uptick in cases. And if the processes are in place to manage a soft landing, albeit with a few bumps due to turbulence, it won’t be too bad. How policy is dictated as we see numbers come out will be interesting to watch. I do suspect that there will be pushback from a vocal minority but the vast majority will do their part.

But at the end of the day, those who are making decisions need objective criteria to work with. And while this hasn’t been comfortable for anyone, regardless of perspective on what those objectives should be, there’s a saying that rings true about the best compromises leaving both sides dissatisfied. There’s a part of me that is buying into that.

Agreed. And we will never know how different the results would have been had we done something different. One side is going to argue that if we had never shutdown, it still would not have reached the horrifying numbers originally predicted and the other side will argue that we could have the virus mostly eliminated had we had stayed shutdown for 4 more weeks. And good fucking luck changing either side’s mind.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Here is an interesting twist in case anyone thinks that the the powers that be should have all this figured out by now:

From UPenn MICU team a patient tests positive more than 28 days ago and had 2 negative test in the interim.

Said patient comes back for non covid related issue

They test patient x again and it's a positive test.....BUT

They know (from what scientific/academic sources I do not know) that second time around guy wasn't a "shedder" and should never have been re-tested because it would only result in a false positive test and x was no danger to anyone and shouldn't have been put in the COVID only unit.

They knew this well enough to be having a late afternoon call chastising the nimrods who didn't know it.


Fuck me. Who can honestly think they know anything about this mess?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I also think that it’s nearly impossible to manage / govern based on those kinds of feelings.

Absolutely agree