Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[sparcboxbuck]

This, of course, is tongue in cheek. What isn’t is that there is zero truth coming from the WH, and maybe slightly more than zero coming from the media.

I did say listening with a healthy dose of skepticism through the lens of understanding the agenda(s) of the speakers for a reason.

I don’t trust any of these fuckers... frankly, I didn’t trust them before the virus and I sure as fuck don’t trust them now. While I may not be as vocal as some with regard to my cynicism... errrr... distrust... err... outright disdain, make no mistake I trust none of them to have my best interest in mind if it deviates from their own agendas.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Fauci said multiple times that he would rather be accused of overreacting and that there is no down side to overreacting. His comments align with your perception. When he said it, I yelled at the TV that there are indeed consequences to overreacting as well. People may die as well from the economic impact.

Yup, if he does his job perfectly nobody dies from the virus... any fallout is someone else’s problem.

Back in the day when Jack Welch ran GE he talked of wanting leaders who could manage for short term and long range. Doing either is easy.
Obviously this is a much bigger situation all told, but the concept still applies. For anyone to really have my confidence they have to be able to effectively address the situation in its totality.

I am guessing that I’m going to left without a lot of confidence in anyone.

 

[jwinslow]

Kinda feels like you’re splitting hairs there.

Very true. I don't expect the statisticians to track that level of detail across all locations, but it's an important detail for retraining people to describe the severity.

Is a regular person in their 30s at risk of permanent lung damage? Is that exceptionally rare? Less common than with older/compromised people, but still a meaningful threat?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don’t trust any of these fuckers... frankly, I didn’t trust them before the virus and I sure as fuck don’t trust them now. While I may not be as vocal as some with regard to my cynicism... errrr... distrust... err... outright disdain, make no mistake I trust none of them to have my best interest in mind if it deviates from their own agendas.

That's the stuff.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

There are ways to fix the economic impact after we save lives. Or....there would be if we had actual leadership. But you should fix the immediate threat before you can work on the long term one. If anybody has ideas to fix both at the same time, let's hear them.

If you don’t recognize that there is a converse to your assertion, then I don’t know what to tell you. If I agree or disagree with you is immaterial... but there will be plenty who will point at your statement and be in vehement disagreement. I’m not saying that I disagree with you, but you’re implying that your belief structure is more valid than theirs.

You can choose to take my statement as an affront to your beliefs if you like. That’s your choice... but I’m merely pointing out that others will likely not perfectly align with you.

What I will say is that minimizing loss of life and impact on the health care system while not doing so at all costs, is where I personally stand. That means that some lives will be lost and that there will be some damage to global economies in efforts to minimize loss of life. But without question, for the greater good there are acceptable casualties. Nobody wants to talk about what acceptable casualties look like, I get that... I don’t either. I wish it weren’t that way. But it is a fact of life. Ask any general in any war how they felt about knowing that they were signing the death papers on a lot of innocent lives for the greater good.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Very true. I don't expect the statisticians to track that level of detail across all locations, but it's an important detail for retraining people to describe the severity.

Is a regular person in their 30s at risk of permanent lung damage? Is that exceptionally rare? Less common than with older/compromised people, but still a meaningful threat?

Sorry, sarcasm wasn’t as clear as it could have been. There’s a huge difference between the two. That said, it would be great just to get a single reliable ‘recovered’ metric _and_ _then_ parse out the results. We don’t even have good gross measures on recovery.

 

[heisman]

Very true. I don't expect the statisticians to track that level of detail across all locations, but it's an important detail for retraining people to describe the severity.

Is a regular person in their 30s at risk of permanent lung damage? Is that exceptionally rare? Less common than with older/compromised people, but still a meaningful threat?

I suppose it would matter if anyone believes we can do anything about it. No one is immune and everyone (majority of society) is going to contract this virus. We've shut down to save the overload of our health care system, and stretch out when people get the virus....not if.....when.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

If you don’t recognize that there is a converse to your assertion, then I don’t know what to tell you. If I agree or disagree with you is immaterial... but there will be plenty who will point at your statement and be in vehement disagreement. I’m not saying that I disagree with you, but you’re implying that your belief structure is more valid than theirs.

You can choose to take my statement as an affront to your beliefs if you like. That’s your choice... but I’m merely pointing out that others will likely not perfectly align with you.

What I will say is that minimizing loss of life and impact on the health care system while not doing so at all costs, is where I personally stand. That means that some lives will be lost and that there will be some damage to global economies in efforts to minimize loss of life. But without question, for the greater good there are acceptable casualties. Nobody wants to talk about what acceptable casualties look like, I get that... I don’t either. I wish it weren’t that way. But it is a fact of life. Ask any general in any war how they felt about knowing that they were signing the death papers on a lot of innocent lives for the greater good.

I mean....everything everybody types is from their belief structure. I don't know why you're acting like I'm standing on the Mount telling people this is how it is.

 

[Bucklion]

DeWine extends school closings to May 1.

 

[heisman]

Watch out for virus scammers out there...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/per...-what-you-need-to-know/ar-BB11Qk33?li=BBnbfcN

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I mean....everything everybody types is from their belief structure. I don't know why you're acting like I'm standing on the Mount telling people this is how it is.

I’m not sure how you take the bolded as anything but standing on the mount telling people this is how it is:

There are ways to fix the economic impact after we save lives. Or....there would be if we had actual leadership. But you should fix the immediate threat before you can work on the long term one.

Maybe I’m misreading your statement? Could be. And in no way am I trying to take it out of context. If I’ve done so, my apologies.

If I’m not, the difference, in my opinion, is recognizing that there are different views. Without that recognition we end up where we are today... everyone yelling that they are righter than everyone else. The WH, the medical community, the press, the less informed minions who get in line and follow blindly...

I fear that lack of acknowledgement and a willingness to be less dogmatic makes it impossible to find a middle ground that is globally optimal.

The unwillingness to understand, cooperate and give on some points, I also fear, leads to impasses and inaction. That, in my mind, could play out to be even more damaging than anything.

The dude gets it. That’s all I’m saying.



Do as you wish, but I’m open to listening to all sides... and I’m comfortable with balance.

 

[Jake]

Remember those 75-80% living paycheck-to-paycheck?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I’m not sure how you take the bolded as anything but standing on the mount telling people this is how it is:

To what end do I need to state...on a college football message board....that what I type out is just my thoughts on the matter?

 

[ScriptOhio]

Gov. DeWine: FDA’s ‘reckless’ decision limits Battelle’s PPE mask sterilizing technology to only 10k a day

FDA approves use of Battelle’s mask sterilizing technology at full capacity

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Columbus-based Battelle’s system that can decontaminate thousands of masks a day, according to a statement from the company.

Battelle told 10TV on Sunday night that the approval is for the use of the technology at “full capacity.”

According to a press release sent Sunday night from Battelle, the company’s CCDS Critical Care Decontamination System is now operating at Battelle’s West Jefferson, Ohio, facility.

The facility is capable of decontaminating up to 80,000 respirator masks per system each day using concentrated, vapor phase hydrogen peroxide.

According to a Sunday night statement from Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's office, Battelle intends to send one machine to New York City and one to Stony Brook, New York. Machines will also be dispatched to the state of Washington.

Earlier Sunday, the FDA only approved limited use of the technology at 10,000 surgical masks in the state a day, which was met by criticism from DeWine.

In a press conference on Sunday, DeWine said President Donald Trump assured him that the approval would be handled quickly.

According to Battelle, the respirator masks are exposed to the validated concentration level for 2.5 hours to decontaminate biological contaminates, including COVID-19. The system can decontaminate the same respirator mask up to 20 times without degrading the mask’s performance.

“I want to thank the FDA team for their professionalism and help in authorizing the use of our technology at this critical moment for our nation,” said Lou Von Thaer, President and CEO of Battelle in a statement. “Everybody who has worked on this project shares the same goal of protecting first responders and healthcare workers who are at the front lines of the pandemic.”

"I want to thank President Trump for his leadership and Dr. Hahn of the FDA for approving the use of this life-saving technology that Battelle has developed," said DeWine in a statement. "This will not only help Ohio's healthcare workers on the front lines of the COVID-19 crisis, but Battelle will also be helping health care workers in hot spots throughout the country including New York and Washington state."

Entire article: https://www.10tv.com/article/fda-ap...sterilizing-technology-full-capacity-2020-mar

 

[Buckeneye]

Check out these search results: https://twitter.com/hashtag/filmyourhospital?s=09

I'm just curious, do you feel this is a ruse or some type of elaborate hoax?