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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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The sobering rebuttal to that is many of the non retired docs are that age, particularly 60.

Indeed they are, but that doesn't seem to justify adding more of them to the equation.

Unfortunately, there's a cost/benefit to any proposed solution. It's hard to control something you can't touch, see, smell, or hear.
 
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Just a thought as I sit here this morning;

  • massive numbers of people lost their income last week
  • they still have to buy food
  • no income means no money but they still have credit cards
  • depending on individual credit limits and spending habits how long is that going to give them the ability to buy food? 30-60-90 days?
Just consider that very simple and bleak scenario when you think the government is doing something to help all the people they willfully unemployed.
  • I have seen nothing to date mention how they are going to feed people who can no longer afford to buy food.
  • I have seen no mention of concessions from the credit card companies of any kind. Extended credit limits, waiving late fees and interest. Nothing.
  • I have a very good guess of how they plan to keep the peace when hungry people get desperate.

The clock started ticking a week ago and you don't have to have a PhD to do the math of how long people have. The vast majority of the people I am talking about here, those forced into state mandated poverty, would have never gotten severely ill or died from COVID-19.

Bloomberg could, by himself, keep the train rolling for months.
All of our 401ks just got transferred to a handful of people shorting the market.
And then the Fed printed 2 Trillion in 3 days, pumped it directly into Wall Street, and it too transferred directly to the those short sellers.

There's no reason for anyone to go hungry or lose their home or even get hit with penalties or accrued interest, but a lot of Redcoats in this country that love King George so long as he's draped himself in rhetoric about a 'free market' that's never existed.
Meanwhile this Free Market is getting socialist bailouts for the 2nd time in 10 years.
But Pelosi and Schumer want to block a measly $1k to us common schmucks.

I just dont take the economy stuff seriously because people will either realize what's been going on for past 40 years, or not.
And while i think it's wise to take every step to halt this pandemic, im really not going to miss those who have voted - on both sides of the aisle - for that oligarchy over the past 40 years.

In other news, first confirmed employee on Thursday.
And my Uncle in Cleveland was exposed to a known coworker, and now has a cough. His College daughter is staying at home and going out with friends in the evenings.
She wont be affected. Her friends wont be affected. But how will those friendships look when her friends parent or grandparent ends up in the hospital?
 
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22+ on the JHU map now. We've passed Iran and Germany and will overtake Spain tomorrow. Does anyone know what, given the massive testing kit shortage, any reliable ratio for the assumptions of confirmed cases to actual cases.
We have no guidance on that. But I can say that a) the positive rate has been small, and b) tests are being rationed big time. So, there isn’t any real way to estimate that accurately given those disparate things in my estimation.
 
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I spent the afternoon with my wife (a pathology professor diagnosing over 100 cases a day), my daughter (a 4th year medical student doing clinical rounds), my daughter-in-law (general practitioner in practice with her mother), and my son and 1 year-old grandson. It may be the last time we enjoy a meal together for some time. Already, my daughter-in-law and her mother are not seeing each other at work or after work to protect my grandson. The three of them have aged visibly in the last four weeks and the virus has not really reached pandemic proportions here yet. It is everything. The shortage of masks and hand sanitizers. The need to see patients in surgical scrubs. My daughter-in-law and her mother have removed the upholstered chairs in their waiting room and replaced these with just 5 plastic chairs. Only 5 people at a time are allowed in the waiting room. There is a sense that even if only 1% of patients die, this could be overwhelming for many countries. The south of the Netherlands is now like Italy. Italy has 10 people in 4 room wards. Doctors around the world are being overwhelmed as a bunch of arseholes go out and party and refuse to respect social distance recommendations.

Likely, you will get COVID-19. Likely, you will experience a mild flu. But if you are in the high risk group and you get this, then the chances may be 1 in 10 that you will die. If you don't, you may find your lungs scarred for the rest of your life. So, don't be an arsehole. Don't expect medical professionals to be able to save your life when you are too bloody stupid to take care of yourself. Not even my wife believed me when I said I thought I had something from China.

I was there as one of the first people in the world to get H1N1 (Swine Flu) from Chinese seaman staying in the same hotel. I watched them cough and thought nothing of it. Then, two weeks later and fighting to breathe, I knew that I was in deep when my lungs looked like they had been painted solid white on the admitting X-Ray, which I could not stand up on my own to take. That night, I watched the other three patients in our 4-bed isolation ward die, one after the other and I resigned myself that I did not any longer have the strength to breathe pure oxygen. I knew that I was too tired to go on and would suffocate in my sleep.

Luckily for me, my wife called her Harvard colleagues and they suggested a certain drug on a drip was showing promise in trials and then Tamiflu was found to aid. I slept most to the next three days. People came into that room and left, some to other isolation ward and some to the mortuary. My wife, a hard arse of note (ask RugbyBuck) who went through medical school as a single mother with a baby strapped to her back, cried over my bed several times, asking me to forgive her for not believing me (my GP said I did not have it and no tests were available).

So, desperation? Take this thing as fucking seriously as anything you have seen in your life. This is the one you will tell your grandchildren about, as my grandparents told stories of the Great Depression. Even if it does not kill more than 1%-2%, it's effect on the economy is going to be around a long time.

Wash your hands frequently
Do not touch your face
Stay at home and go out only for truly necessary things (NOT entertainment)
Keep a social distance from everyone, including your loved ones
Take this bloody thing seriously
 
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I spent the afternoon with my wife (a pathology professor diagnosing over 100 cases a day), my daughter (a 4th year medical student doing clinical rounds), my daughter-in-law (general practitioner in practice with her mother), and my son and 1 year-old grandson. It may be the last time we enjoy a meal together for some time. Already, my daughter-in-law and her mother are not seeing each other at work or after work to protect my grandson. The three of them have aged visibly in the last four weeks and the virus has not really reached pandemic proportions here yet. It is everything. The shortage of masks and hand sanitizers. The need to see patients in surgical scrubs. My daughter-in-law and her mother have removed the upholstered chairs in their waiting room and replaced these with just 5 plastic chairs. Only 5 people at a time are allowed in the waiting room. There is a sense that even if only 1% of patients die, this could be overwhelming for many countries. The south of the Netherlands is now like Italy. Italy has 10 people in 4 room wards. Doctors around the world are being overwhelmed as a bunch of arseholes go out and party and refuse to respect social distance recommendations.

Likely, you will get COVID-19. Likely, you will experience a mild flu. But if you are in the high risk group and you get this, then the chances may be 1 in 10 that you will die. If you don't, you may find your lungs scarred for the rest of your life. So, don't be an arsehole. Don't expect medical professionals to be able to save your life when you are too bloody stupid to take care of yourself. Not even my wife believed me when I said I thought I had something from China.

I was there as one of the first people in the world to get H1N1 (Swine Flu) from Chinese seaman staying in the same hotel. I watched them cough and thought nothing of it. Then, two weeks later and fighting to breathe, I knew that I was in deep when my lungs looked like they had been painted solid white on the admitting X-Ray, which I could not stand up on my own to take. That night, I watched the other three patients in our 4-bed isolation ward die, one after the other and I resigned myself that I did not any longer have the strength to breathe pure oxygen. I knew that I was too tired to go on and would suffocate in my sleep.

Luckily for me, my wife called her Harvard colleagues and they suggested a certain drug on a drip was showing promise in trials and then Tamiflu was found to aid. I slept most to the next three days. People came into that room and left, some to other isolation ward and some to the mortuary. My wife, a hard arse of note (ask RugbyBuck) who went through medical school as a single mother with a baby strapped to her back, cried over my bed several times, asking me to forgive her for not believing me (my GP said I did not have it and no tests were available).

So, desperation? Take this thing as fucking seriously as anything you have seen in your life. This is the one you will tell your grandchildren about, as my grandparents told stories of the Great Depression. Even if it does not kill more than 1%-2%, it's effect on the economy is going to be around a long time.

Wash your hands frequently
Do not touch your face
Stay at home and go out only for truly necessary things (NOT entertainment)
Keep a social distance from everyone, including your loved ones
Take this bloody thing seriously
Do you have a pizza stone?
 
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I spent the afternoon with my wife (a pathology professor diagnosing over 100 cases a day), my daughter (a 4th year medical student doing clinical rounds), my daughter-in-law (general practitioner in practice with her mother), and my son and 1 year-old grandson. It may be the last time we enjoy a meal together for some time. Already, my daughter-in-law and her mother are not seeing each other at work or after work to protect my grandson. The three of them have aged visibly in the last four weeks and the virus has not really reached pandemic proportions here yet. It is everything. The shortage of masks and hand sanitizers. The need to see patients in surgical scrubs. My daughter-in-law and her mother have removed the upholstered chairs in their waiting room and replaced these with just 5 plastic chairs. Only 5 people at a time are allowed in the waiting room. There is a sense that even if only 1% of patients die, this could be overwhelming for many countries. The south of the Netherlands is now like Italy. Italy has 10 people in 4 room wards. Doctors around the world are being overwhelmed as a bunch of arseholes go out and party and refuse to respect social distance recommendations.

Likely, you will get COVID-19. Likely, you will experience a mild flu. But if you are in the high risk group and you get this, then the chances may be 1 in 10 that you will die. If you don't, you may find your lungs scarred for the rest of your life. So, don't be an arsehole. Don't expect medical professionals to be able to save your life when you are too bloody stupid to take care of yourself. Not even my wife believed me when I said I thought I had something from China.

I was there as one of the first people in the world to get H1N1 (Swine Flu) from Chinese seaman staying in the same hotel. I watched them cough and thought nothing of it. Then, two weeks later and fighting to breathe, I knew that I was in deep when my lungs looked like they had been painted solid white on the admitting X-Ray, which I could not stand up on my own to take. That night, I watched the other three patients in our 4-bed isolation ward die, one after the other and I resigned myself that I did not any longer have the strength to breathe pure oxygen. I knew that I was too tired to go on and would suffocate in my sleep.

Luckily for me, my wife called her Harvard colleagues and they suggested a certain drug on a drip was showing promise in trials and then Tamiflu was found to aid. I slept most to the next three days. People came into that room and left, some to other isolation ward and some to the mortuary. My wife, a hard arse of note (ask RugbyBuck) who went through medical school as a single mother with a baby strapped to her back, cried over my bed several times, asking me to forgive her for not believing me (my GP said I did not have it and no tests were available).

So, desperation? Take this thing as fucking seriously as anything you have seen in your life. This is the one you will tell your grandchildren about, as my grandparents told stories of the Great Depression. Even if it does not kill more than 1%-2%, it's effect on the economy is going to be around a long time.

Wash your hands frequently
Do not touch your face
Stay at home and go out only for truly necessary things (NOT entertainment)
Keep a social distance from everyone, including your loved ones
Take this bloody thing seriously
I'm SHOCKED the African continent isn't under viral siege right now.
 
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