Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[Jake]

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm not sure exposing 60 or 70-something year old docs and nurses is a good way to slow the spread.

Those people will fill the backflow of lesser illnesses elsewhere in the hospital (as it's been explained to me) leaving the highly trained, protocol conscious RN/MD to handle the COVID ingestion/treatment in the ICU.

It's obviously not ideal but makes sense.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

A hospital doesn't just need rooms... it needs respirators
There is MAJOR stress already by doctors and nurses.. that are sworn to help but extremely worried about bringing it into their homes/families
Pregnant nurses are petrified
Protective equipment (gowns and goggles) are stretched thin... single use stuff becomes multiple use
Consuming a room for 2-3 weeks is a choke point

If China's goal was to fuck us royal... they were successful...
Read a conspiracy article from this vantage point.. plays with your head

 

[shetuck]

This is true in PA as well but clearly points t what any heath care professional will tell you right now, if you aren't having difficulty breathing, ride it out at home.

I don’t think this plan is meant to address those who can/will stay at home, but to deal with a surge of people who need to get admitted and get some sort of special care.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I don’t think this plan is meant to address those who can/will stay at home, but to deal with a surge of people who need to get admitted and get some sort of special care.

and the constraint to throughput on that special care is respirators (see @NJ-Buckeye post above mine) and the people who know how to use them, not beds.

I think it's pretty clear to all of us that on the medical side of this, hospitals are going to get swamped. That was in the guidance document(s) they had from day 1.

 

[AKAK]

Would they?

Today they found out at HUP a nurse in cath lab has it confirmed. 44 other nurses are now out of the rotation for two weeks because of that. They don't know the number of MD's yet because some dipdick broke protocol.

I think that's type of stuff is what's going to swamp the system. You can't all of a sudden give people the skills needed to staff all these new beds (if you can find them).

Dipdick in the Cath lab?

Oh... Right the other cath lab.

 

[shetuck]

and the constraint to throughput on that special care is respirators (see @NJ-Buckeye post above mine) and the people who know how to use them, not beds.

I think it's pretty clear to all of us that on the medical side of this, hospitals are going to get swamped. That was in the guidance document(s) they had from day 1.

Yep... respirators are yet another constraint that needs to get solved.

It’s an “and” thing with enough healthcare workers AND enough supplies.

 

[Bucklion]

How? Are there spare docs and nurses just waiting to be utilized in hotels?

Would they?

Today they found out at HUP a nurse in cath lab has it confirmed. 44 other nurses are now out of the rotation for two weeks because of that. They don't know the number of MD's yet because some dipdick broke protocol.

I think that's type of stuff is what's going to swamp the system. You can't all of a sudden give people the skills needed to staff all these new beds (if you can find them).

In the UK and in NY state they’re bringing people back out of retirement and letting students who are nearly finished with their degrees.

They are also moving staff from suburban hospitals to the hot zones in the city. Keep in mind, the remote locations could be where they move patients with other issues if they need to lockdown a full hospital for COVID

 

[shetuck]

Would they?

Today they found out at HUP a nurse in cath lab has it confirmed. 44 other nurses are now out of the rotation for two weeks because of that. They don't know the number of MD's yet because some dipdick broke protocol.

I think that's type of stuff is what's going to swamp the system. You can't all of a sudden give people the skills needed to staff all these new beds (if you can find them).

Was it because they broke protocol or didn’t have appropriate PPE, or are those two the same thing in this case?

 

[jwinslow]

I'm not sure exposing 60 or 70-something year old docs and nurses is a good way to slow the spread.

The sobering rebuttal to that is many of the non retired docs are that age, particularly 60.

 

[Jaxbuck]

and to follow up on my post about the 90 day doomsday clock starting last week (people getting hungry because they run out of credit card capacity to buy food)

Let's just say you believe the government is going to try and help by maintaining law and order;

• stats are wonky on this but you have something like ~750,000 cops in the U.S. (lets assume they are the carry a gun types but they aren't)
• you have another ~450,000 National Guard troops (including Air NG which are useless in this scenario)
• so for round numbers you have about a million people the government can use to try and protect you from looting and rioting

Take care of yourselves folks. We are on our own.

 

[Bucklion]

and the constraint to throughput on that special care is respirators (see @NJ-Buckeye post above mine) and the people who know how to use them, not beds.

I think it's pretty clear to all of us that on the medical side of this, hospitals are going to get swamped. That was in the guidance document(s) they had from day 1.

And here is where the feds and their cluelessness are failing miserably...we do NOT have enough vents, and even if we did, they would have to be ideally distributed.

 

[shetuck]

Cuomo just said that the first containment area in New York (New Rochelle) is seeing a decrease in the number of cases.

If memory serves, New Rochelle got locked down around the same time as Kirkland, Washington, a couple weeks ago.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Was it because they broke protocol or didn’t have appropriate PPE, or are those two the same thing in this case?

Nurse was no testing, had no idea she was exposed. Dipdick DR was broken, known protocol a.k.a stupidity

as I understand the retelling

 

[AKAK]

and to follow up on my post about the 90 day doomsday clock starting last week (people getting hungry because they run out of credit card capacity to buy food)

Let's just say you believe the government is going to try and help by maintaining law and order;

• stats are wonky on this but you have something like ~750,000 cops in the U.S. (lets assume they are the carry a gun types but they aren't)
• you have another ~450,000 National Guard troops (including Air NG which are useless in this scenario)
• so for round numbers you have about a million people the government can use to try and protect you from looting and rioting

Take care of yourselves folks. We are on our own.

Is it looting season yet?