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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I think if it's those 4 1-loss SEC teams, undefeated Clemson, and 1-loss Ohio State (conference champions), only 2 of those SEC teams are getting in. It looks like UCLA is also undefeated. If they stay undefeated, I think one of those SEC teams is getting in.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
I'm actually hoping 4 SEC teams end up with (at least) 1 loss (per above tweet); and Ohio State, TCU, UCLA, and Clemson run the table and win their Conference Championship.
All hell would break lose in the PAC-12 and BIG XII when their undefeated conference champion gets bumped out of the CFPs by a 1 loss SEC team.....
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LovelandBuckeye
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. - UFM
I'm actually hoping 4 SEC teams end up with (at least) 1 loss (per above tweet); and Ohio State, TCU, UCLA, and Clemson run the table and win their Conference Championship.
All hell would break lose in the PAC-12 and BIG XII when their undefeated conference champion gets bumped out of the CFPs by a 1 loss SEC team.....
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I'm actually hoping 4 SEC teams end up with (at least) 1 loss (per above tweet); and Ohio State, TCU, UCLA, and Clemson run the table and win their Conference Championship.
All hell would break lose in the PAC-12 and BIG XII when their undefeated conference champion gets bumped out of the CFPs by a 1 loss SEC team.....
We can laugh but they would seriously consider putting a 1 loss UGA, who's only loss was a close loss to Bama in the SEC title game, into the title game over a undefeated TCU or UCLA
They wouldn't do it at the expense of a Clemson or Ohio State, but they would seriously consider it if it were the other options.
In the end they probably wouldnt because they know how bad the response would be, but the fact that it would even be considered at all is a joke.
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For some, sure.
For others, the fact that they would consider it is exactly why they wanted a committee.
It is entirely possible that there are 1-loss teams or even 2-loss teams that are better than some undefeated teams.
Some people want the undefeated teams in the playoffs.
Some people want the "best" teams in the playoffs.
There is no right answer, because each side has their own standard of value. Some people value the unblemished record; some think that better teams should not be punished for having played tougher schedules.
I'm sure there are at least half a dozen different factions whose positions on this subject I have not adequately expressed. That doesn't mean they're invalid. When something is based on what you value, and different people have different values, there are no answers that will please everyone.
For my part... I would be willing to bet you could find posts that I've made on this board in the past 18 years or so that are on at least 2 different sides of this issue. I can see some value in all of the arguments I've heard, including yours.
At this point, I honestly don't even care that much any more. I just want the Buckeyes to make it to the playoffs and win their last game. The rest is details.
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This is true.
When it comes to the SEC though, the problem lies in the clear biases that are set forth from the start of the season.
Losses are always less damaging for SEC teams, and they are penalized less for struggling against bad teams they shouldn't struggle with.
Alabama and Georgia have yes, earned some benefit of the doubt. But the other SEC teams are just riding their success, and the sports media totally enables this.
Florida, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M & The Mississippi Schools (and now to some extent Arkansas and Kentucky) are constantly overhyped and then them struggling of course isn't a result of them just being average-mediocre teams it's because "NO EASY WEEKS IN THE SEC!!!" "SEC BEATS UP ON EACHOTHER!" etc etc....
When you create a false sense of "great strength" of the rest of the conference, it's easy to just say 'Oh yea Bama of course!" and make it out as non debatable
If we are going to go off of perceived overall "talent" based on recruiting rankings to decide who the best teams are, this is some of the criteria for some people when you get down to judging a Alabama vs a UCLA, you might as well not even play the games. Ohio State, Bama, UGA would have to be in the playoff every year regardless.
At some point losses do have to count, whether it's "fair" or not. You could argue that Bama/UGA would carve through the Pac 12 undefeated all you want. But there's no actual basis to that. Just assumption.
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My personal annoyance is that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. As they push public perception that the shitty teams in the SEC are actually good to great, overtime it gains validity because the recruits believe it too and those shitty teams improve. That's why I'm glad to see FOX shilling for the BIG even if it can be trite. You have to combat that propaganda.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
What's bothered me is those--especially in the sports media--who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge what espn has been doing for years. Look, it's as simple as this. ESPN pimping the SEC and demonizing the B1G isn't just in their best interests; it's literally the sole legal fiduciary duty of their management--to maximize shareholder value. They have no legal duty to be journalists or to present any semblance of fairness. To pretend otherwise is incredibly naive, and I'm happy to see FOX emerge as a counter to the espn spin.
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OREGONSOCKPUPPET
It's Puppet Time!
Well, the playoff picture cleared up. Sock's weekly playoff update.
ACC- With Clemson's loss, the ACC is in trouble. According to Sock's get fucked meter, the conference is a 9 on a 1-10 scale. The only way Clemson gets in is if there are some crazy bs in last few weeks of the season and Clemson wins out. North Carolina is currently 8-1. I don't see them getting in either if they win out. I don't see them winning out. They still have wake Forest, NC State, and then the ACC championship. Predicted teams to get in - 0.
Big Ten - OSU or Michigan will get in. Even with a loss in the Big Ten title game. They are so much better than everybody else. Get fucked meter is currently at a 2. Could Michigan and OSU both get if the loser only loses by a few points. It may be possible, but things would have to happen.
SEC- Get fucked meter is a 5 with Alabama losing. If Georgia wins out and somehow loses in the SEC championship, they are still going to get in. What if Tennessee wins out and finishes 11-1? They could still get in if crazy shit happens in the last few weeks. What if Ole Miss with Joey Freshwater runs the rest of the table? Very unlikely. I see them dropping a game with Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi State still on their schedule. Even if they did run the table and LSU wins out, LSU goes to the SEC championship. I don't see Ole Miss in. LSU with 2 losses is the only team that can get in with 2 losses. The stretch run would have to have some crazy 2007 mojo for that to happen.
Big 12- Get fucked meter is an 8. It's TCU and that is it. If they win out, they are in. If they drop one, then they are probably out. The rest of the conference is straight up smelly ass.
Pac 12- Sock's conference which might be the most interesting. Utah might be the best team in the conference but they have 2 losses, so they are out. That leaves Oregon, USC, and UCLA. Get fucked meter is a 7.
Oregon still has to play Washington, Utah, and Oregon State (who is already bowl eligible). This is a tough stretch before the championship. If Oregon wins out, they may very well get in. Georgia, Michigan/OSU, TCU?, and the 4th spot may be between Oregon and Tennessee if that is the case.
UCLA and USC still have to play each other. So one will be out by default. USC still also has to play ND. I think if USC wins out, they could still miss out on the PAC-12 championship.
Small conferences - You can go fuck yourselves. None of you are getting in.
Sock out!
ACC- With Clemson's loss, the ACC is in trouble. According to Sock's get fucked meter, the conference is a 9 on a 1-10 scale. The only way Clemson gets in is if there are some crazy bs in last few weeks of the season and Clemson wins out. North Carolina is currently 8-1. I don't see them getting in either if they win out. I don't see them winning out. They still have wake Forest, NC State, and then the ACC championship. Predicted teams to get in - 0.
Big Ten - OSU or Michigan will get in. Even with a loss in the Big Ten title game. They are so much better than everybody else. Get fucked meter is currently at a 2. Could Michigan and OSU both get if the loser only loses by a few points. It may be possible, but things would have to happen.
SEC- Get fucked meter is a 5 with Alabama losing. If Georgia wins out and somehow loses in the SEC championship, they are still going to get in. What if Tennessee wins out and finishes 11-1? They could still get in if crazy shit happens in the last few weeks. What if Ole Miss with Joey Freshwater runs the rest of the table? Very unlikely. I see them dropping a game with Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi State still on their schedule. Even if they did run the table and LSU wins out, LSU goes to the SEC championship. I don't see Ole Miss in. LSU with 2 losses is the only team that can get in with 2 losses. The stretch run would have to have some crazy 2007 mojo for that to happen.
Big 12- Get fucked meter is an 8. It's TCU and that is it. If they win out, they are in. If they drop one, then they are probably out. The rest of the conference is straight up smelly ass.
Pac 12- Sock's conference which might be the most interesting. Utah might be the best team in the conference but they have 2 losses, so they are out. That leaves Oregon, USC, and UCLA. Get fucked meter is a 7.
Oregon still has to play Washington, Utah, and Oregon State (who is already bowl eligible). This is a tough stretch before the championship. If Oregon wins out, they may very well get in. Georgia, Michigan/OSU, TCU?, and the 4th spot may be between Oregon and Tennessee if that is the case.
UCLA and USC still have to play each other. So one will be out by default. USC still also has to play ND. I think if USC wins out, they could still miss out on the PAC-12 championship.
Small conferences - You can go fuck yourselves. None of you are getting in.
Sock out!
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OREGONSOCKPUPPET
It's Puppet Time!
It's clear because since the BCS era (1998), they have dominated college football. No other conference has been close. They send the most draft picks by far to the NFL, 1st round draft picks, 14 national titles won by 6 different teams, probably the best bowl record compared to other conferences. I hate the SEC, but they are the one conference that is going to get the benefit of the doubt because of their track record going on three decades now. The other conferences need to step it the fuck up.
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This excuse.
Teams like Texas A&M should not get constantly overhyped because of Bama and UGAs success.
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LSU should not be top-10 before beating bama. Especially because that sentence tends to start with a Mississippi in past years.
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OREGONSOCKPUPPET
It's Puppet Time!
Is it really a big deal though? Overhyped teams at the beginning of the season regardless of conference will get exposed. I would argue Michigan is overhyped than pretty much any team in the SEC in the last few decades. The past few years they have been good, but how many times did they start in the top 10 then flamed out? Find a team in the SEC that is more overhyped, then I might pay attention.
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