College Playoff

[ORD_Buckeye]

This is something Husker fans are united about - we are not entranced by the Rose Bowl. We do not support the primacy of the Rose Bowl, no matter what Tom Osborne's recent statements seem to imply.

I can see why the fans don't put much stock in the history of the Rose Bowl. There's no long term attachment to it. Osborne, however, is right to toe the conference line. For him to do anything less would really smack of Uncle Eddie showing up at the Griswolds and demanding to sit at the head of the table and carve the turkey. It's the smart move on his part to be a team player on this.

 

[knapplc]

I can see why the fans don't put much stock in the history of the Rose Bowl. There's no long term attachment to it. Osborne, however, is right to toe the conference line. For him to do anything less would really smack of Uncle Eddie showing up at the Griswolds and demanding to sit at the head of the table and carve the turkey. It's the smart move on his part to be a team player on this.

Which is why I think he and Chancellor Harvey Perlman (UNL) are saying as much, publicly.

I really don't think the Big Ten is going to continue their staunch adherence to the Rose Bowl. I truly think this is a gambit on Delany's part, to gain leverage for some later move. But I have no idea what that might be.

Also - to anyone - what is the Pac-12's opinion on the Rose Bowl? I haven't heard anything about their current stance.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

Again--I think this was a non-starter for the SEC, Big XII, etc. They didn't even want to entertain the idea. Enough conferences that Delany realized he had to concede.

While I wouldn't doubt this, do you have any sources for this? I don't really know what the SEC or Big XII want for the semifinal sites. I know Mike Slive wants the top-4 teams in the playoff, but not where those playoffs should be.

I think Delany generally serves the Big Ten conference well, but I also think that he can stifle innovation whereas a guy like Larry Scott seems to enjoy trying to diversify and create new marketable opportunities. I personally don't think that Delany is the best conference commissioner, he's just very stubborn and I still think he's wrong on this. If you are right on this, it seems to me that this might be the first time that Delany has conceded anything.

 

[Muck]

I think Delany generally serves the Big Ten conference well, but I also think that he can stifle innovation whereas a guy like Larry Scott seems to enjoy trying to diversify and create new marketable opportunities. I personally don't think that Delany is the best conference commissioner, he's just very stubborn and I still think he's wrong on this. If you are right on this, it seems to me that this might be the first time that Delany has conceded anything.

Yeah that Larry Scott is a genius what with that Pac-12 channel & all. An old fuddy duddy like Delany would never have come up with the idea of creating a conference owned TV network.

Scott's status as a visionary is exaggerated because people ignore just how hidebound his predecessors were.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Generally not much to like when this guy opens his pie hole, but he's spot on here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--big-ten-surrenders-fight-for-on-campus-playoff-games-for-wrong-reasons.html

The Big Ten may love the Rose Bowl, but it's Larry Scott and Mike Slive that they're letting pull a train.

 

[Ryan36_1]

I don't follow this rationale behind this move.

The Rose Bowl will never be what it once was. Hell it isn't now. The playoff will only double that effect.

I understand the campus semis was likely an unwinnable battle. That said, wouldn't a neutral site semi-final and championship game be in the best interest of preserving what tradition that is left out of the Rose Bowl?

If the bowls host the semis, every other year the Rose Bowl will be host to whatever teams are #1/#4 or #2/#3. But, if the playoffs are placed to bid, then every year, the Rose Bowl can still take the non-playoff conference champions or next best team from the PAC and B1G.

Seems like an odd horse for Delaney to back, in my IMO. Giving the other conferences permanent home field advantage and further stripping away Rose Bowl tradition in one foul swoop.

Of course, like conference expansion, I'm sure what we know, we know because it serves the best interest of the person releasing said information. So what we know so far may or may not be an accurate reflection of reality.

 

[buckeyesin07]

While I wouldn't doubt this, do you have any sources for this? I don't really know what the SEC or Big XII want for the semifinal sites. I know Mike Slive wants the top-4 teams in the playoff, but not where those playoffs should be.

It's at least insinuated here:

With all three Big Ten A.D.'s saying much the same thing within a matter of minutes of each other, it couldn't really be much more obvious: despite Delany's backing, the on-campus semifinal proposal has failed within the Big Ten. And it's certainly not going to get any traction elsewhere, with the number of other conferences willing to risk playing a national semifinal in a Midwestern midwinter numbering somewhere between zero and zero. The idea is dead.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-rose-bowl-on-campus-semifinals-not-happening

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Nobody to take the ADs on Mediterranean cruise junkets if the bowls were cut out of a playoff, so they stab their programs, alumni, students and home states in the back.

 

[jlb1705]

I love the Rose Bowl. I love Ohio State and Ohio Stadium much, much more though. Gene Smith clearly has different priorities.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

Yeah that Larry Scott is a genius what with that Pac-12 channel & all. An old fuddy duddy like Delany would never have come up with the idea of creating a conference owned TV network.

Scott's status as a visionary is exaggerated because people ignore just how hidebound his predecessors were.

Scott is definitely able to ride the backbone of his predecessors success with the network. But his push to get his teams playing some games in China/Japan I like a lot. International acclaim for the universities. I like that Scott pushed for the Pac-12 championship to be hosted by the universities, not bid out to a neutral site. I like that Scott didn't name the divisions "Legends" and "Leaders"... :)

What Scott is doing isn't crazy, but to me, Delany represents a very conservative approach to doing business while Scott is thinking outside the box. When it works, I like outside the box thinking. But Scott is the #4 ranked conference and has a lot of ground to make up, whereas Delany represents the #1b conference.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Delaney and the ADs surrender home field semis to Scott and Slive like Chamberlain giving up the Sudetenland and now expect Slive to take their opposition seriously when he goes after the rest of Czechoslovakia.....errr multiple SEC teams in a four team playoff.

Fuck the Pac while we're at it. It's clear that Scott is more in love with the idea of luring Texas and OU down the road than he is in maintaining a 70 year old partnership with the Big Ten.

 

[AKAK]

Delaney and the ADs surrender home field semis to Scott and Slive like Chamberlain giving up the Sudetenland and now expect Slive to take their opposition seriously when he goes after the rest of Czechoslovakia.....errr multiple SEC teams in a four team playoff.

Fuck the Pac while we're at it. It's clear that Scott is more in love with the idea of luring Texas and OU down the road than he is in maintaining a 70 year old partnership with the Big Ten.

BCS Peace for our time!

 

[Zurp]

The Rose Bowl will never be what it once was. Hell it isn't now. The playoff will only double that effect.

Agreed. And to anyone who believes otherwise, understand that in the 14 years of the BCS, I count only 7 that included the Big Ten champion vs. the Pac-10/12 champion. And 3 of those years were the first 3 years of the BCS.

And in 2006, the trip to the Rose Bowl was the consolation prize for the team that would lose The Game.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

And in 2006, the trip to the Rose Bowl was the consolation prize for the team that would lose The Game.

It's really just this. It, like every other major bowl out there is nothing more than a game for runner-ups and near do wells in any given year.

I honestly don't see why we bother with the Rose bowl. Going out to "LaDena" to play USC isn't any different in my book than playing LSU in New Orleans.

I don't much care if it's a losing battle..you don't just concede any and all hope of having anything that might resemble HFA. You look at any playoff system in the world and you can see that. Hell call Indy home of the BIG Championship and when tOSU is conference champ and ranked 1 or 2 that first playoff game is played there for all I care. The SEC can have the Georgia Dome, The BIG 12 can use Jerry World, and the PAC can have Pasadena. I just don't think the #1 or #2 ranked team in the country should have to travel 1000+ miles to play a game that doesn't determine the Championship.

 

[Oh8ch]

I honestly don't see why we bother with the Rose bowl. Going out to "LaDena" to play USC isn't any different in my book than playing LSU in New Orleans.

Its all about tradition.

But since we are already letting go of Tzeitl and Hodel why make a stink over Chava?