College Playoff

[Nutriaitch]

For those anti-playoff folks, if a playoff would be so bad for college football, why does I-AA, II, III, and NAIA have them?

they also have stadiums that hold less than 10,000 people, but I don't see Div-1A fans wanting any of those.

 

[Jake]

False. 19 of the top-25 were undefeated at the end of september. The others had 1 loss.

And you're suggesting they were all playing for a spot in the title game? Ask TCU how that works.

Even if I buy your reasoning we're talking over 83% of teams being eliminated after 4/5 games, rather than the 90% figure I just threw out there. You did a lot more to make my point than to disprove it.

Cfb is great because every game means everything.

No matter how many times that line is repeated, it isn't true. The majority of college football games mean nothing. There is no playoff, no tournament to work towards. Your season is over early in most places outside of Columbus, Ohio. By November, you can usually count the games that "mean everything" on one hand.

In fact, given the number of teams that ultimately make the basketball tourney and since 2 losses don't end your season, a higher percentage of basketball games mean something as the field fights for those 68 spots.

 

[Jake]

they also have stadiums that hold less than 10,000 people, but I don't see Div-1A fans wanting any of those.

Yeah, and I like pizza.

 

[Jake]

The funniest part about this debate - and there are many - is that no one, and I mean no one, who is a Buckeye fan would be defending the status quo if this game had a different outcome:

Iowa State 36
Iowa 31

September 14, 2002

If Iowa wins that game, they play Miami in the NC game instead of us. Hell, there were people saying they belonged there ahead of us even with that loss. They were perceived by many as the best team in the Big Ten, their QB was Heisman runner-up, and we were the "Luckeyes". No way we get in if we're both unbeaten.

Undefeated, third ranked Ohio State gets left out of the NC game - even though "every game means everything" - and Buckeye Nation goes into full meltdown. People would still be pissed about it to this day, and they would NOT be defending the BCS over a playoff. No chance in hell.

 

[Buckeye86]

Undefeated, third ranked Ohio State gets left out of the NC game - even though "every game means everything" - and Buckeye Nation goes into full meltdown. People would still be pissed about it to this day, and they would NOT be defending the BCS over a playoff. No chance in hell.

and when [insert #1 ranked team]'s star quarterback fucks his knee up against [insert shit mid-major team] in the first round of a play off, people are going to be fucking pissed about that as well

the grass is always greener and both sides of this debate can come up with disastrous hypothetical situations that are ultimately meaningless

 

[BayBuck]

The funniest part about this debate - and there are many - is that no one, and I mean no one, who is a Buckeye fan would be defending the status quo if this game had a different outcome:

Iowa State 36
Iowa 31

September 14, 2002

If Iowa wins that game, they play Miami in the NC game instead of us. Hell, there were people saying they belonged there ahead of us even with that loss. They were perceived by many as the best team in the Big Ten, their QB was Heisman runner-up, and we were the "Luckeyes". No way we get in if we're both unbeaten.

Undefeated, third ranked Ohio State gets left out of the NC game - even though "every game means everything" - and Buckeye Nation goes into full meltdown. People would still be [censored]ed about it to this day, and they would NOT be defending the BCS over a playoff. No chance in hell.

You're making a big assumption on this one Jake. 2002 Iowa started the season unranked and I don't really see how they would have jumped top-10 and unbeaten OSU at any point after an alternate-reality win over Iowa State. OSU had a much tougher schedule that season, and Iowa had their share of narrow wins, and despite the media love for 1-loss Iowa late in the season, I'm not at all convinced there's "no way" OSU still finishes ahead of unbeaten '02 Iowa.

 

[matcar]

and when [insert #1 ranked team]'s star quarterback [censored]s his knee up against [insert [Mark May] mid-major team] in the first round of a play off, people are going to be [censored]ing [censored]ed about that as well

the grass is always greener and both sides of this debate can come up with disastrous hypothetical situations that are ultimately meaningless

No playoffs for CFB please. Me likey the season just the way it is. The excitement starts in September rather than November and December. Playoffs WOULD undoubtedly be exciting, but the sacrifice would be too great imo.

 

[Zurp]

If Iowa wins that game, they play Miami in the NC game instead of us. Hell, there were people saying they belonged there ahead of us even with that loss. They were perceived by many as the best team in the Big Ten, their QB was Heisman runner-up, and we were the "Luckeyes". No way we get in if we're both unbeaten.

Undefeated, third ranked Ohio State gets left out of the NC game - even though "every game means everything" - and Buckeye Nation goes into full meltdown. People would still be pissed about it to this day, and they would NOT be defending the BCS over a playoff. No chance in hell.

I'm not going to argue about whether Ohio State would have been ranked below Iowa in that case. There's really no way to know for sure. However, I'd like to believe that my opinions are based on what I feel is right, and not change what I feel is right based on how I think things should have happened. I'm going to disagree that this scenario would have made me pro-playoff.

 

[alexhortdog95]

If the Fiesta loses its 501(c)3, and they investigate the Sugar and the Orange bowls, the politicans will get involved in the entire college playoff scenario.

Look at all the $$$ they spent and they're supposed to be tax exempt.

Think of all the $$$ a D1 playoff would generate.

 

[SmoovP]

I was once for a college football playoff, but the more I thought about it and the harder I looked at it, the more convinced I became that it's a bad idea.

There are too many teams, too few regular season games and too few playoff spots available to make a truly fair and workable system for everyone.

Pro Baseball and Basketball playoffs have no correlation because they play a series of games. The Pro Hockey season IS the playoffs.

Pro Football has has no real correlation because of the number of teams / number of games ratio.

So what we're left with is the NCAA Basketball Tournament - which has no resemblance whatsoever to any form of any possible Football Playoff scenario, because College Basketball teams play so many regular season games and there are so many playoff berths available.

So, if there isn't any way to make it genuinely fair without a radical restructuring of the College Football landscape, there isn't any other argument that sways me.

Simply saying "college football is the only sport that doesn't!!" actually argues against it in my mind, because I like the uniqueness of College Football and think we should be protecting that instead of rushing headlong to make it 'just like all the others'.

The 'make more/make less' money argument has no effect on me.

I'm perfectly fine with how we decide the College Football National Championship - it is an award for an entire season of work, not simply a Tournament Trophy given to a team that happens to get hot at the right moment.

Plant me firmly in the Leave College Football Alone camp.

 

[alexhortdog95]

I was once for a college football playoff, but the more I thought about it and the harder I looked at it, the more convinced I became that it's a bad idea.

I'm not sure of what the right idea is, but I can say that whatever is come up with, It'll be riddled with corruption. They had the old Bowl Coalition, then people complained. They came up with the BCS (which apparently means Because Corruption Stays) which pisses people off even more than the old Bowl Alliances.

Strip clubs, free trips, reimbursing people for donating money. Never been better for college football!


:neb2:

 

[brodybuck21]

I was once for a college football playoff, but the more I thought about it and the harder I looked at it, the more convinced I became that it's a bad idea.

There are too many teams, too few regular season games and too few playoff spots available to make a truly fair and workable system for everyone.

Pro Baseball and Basketball playoffs have no correlation because they play a series of games. The Pro Hockey season IS the playoffs.

Pro Football has has no real correlation because of the number of teams / number of games ratio.

So what we're left with is the NCAA Basketball Tournament - which has no resemblance whatsoever to any form of any possible Football Playoff scenario, because College Basketball teams play so many regular season games and there are so many playoff berths available.

So, if there isn't any way to make it genuinely fair without a radical restructuring of the College Football landscape, there isn't any other argument that sways me.

Simply saying "college football is the only sport that doesn't!!" actually argues against it in my mind, because I like the uniqueness of College Football and think we should be protecting that instead of rushing headlong to make it 'just like all the others'.

The 'make more/make less' money argument has no effect on me.

I'm perfectly fine with how we decide the College Football National Championship - it is an award for an entire season of work, not simply a Tournament Trophy given to a team that happens to get hot at the right moment.

Plant me firmly in the Leave College Football Alone camp.

I agree with this post but would only add 1 thing. Make the time off after the reg season to the start of the major bowls a little shorter.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

they also have stadiums that hold less than 10,000 people, but I don't see Div-1A fans wanting any of those.

Seriously? You think that I-A playoff games would be played in those stadiums, and not in, you know, the stadiums of the teams actually playing?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I was once for a college football playoff, but the more I thought about it and the harder I looked at it, the more convinced I became that it's a bad idea.

There are too many teams, too few regular season games and too few playoff spots available to make a truly fair and workable system for everyone.

The system for I-AA, II, and III work perfectly. They play the same number of regular season games, and having too many playoff spots would water it down. Having 16 spots from a pool of about 120 teams (I-AA) is about right.

The Pro Hockey season IS the playoffs.

Tell that to the teams who won the President's Trophy but not the Stanley Cup in a season...

 

[jwinslow]

Having 16 spots from a pool of about 120 teams (I-AA) is about right.

Not really. #9-16 have a lot of mediocre squads.

'10 - #9 MSU, #10 Boise, LSU, Mizzou, Va Tech, Ok St, Nevada, Bama. Those 8 were rightfully left out imo.

'09 - #9 GT, #10 Iowa, VT*, LSU*, PSU, BYU, Mia*, WVU*

'08 - #9 OSU*, #10 Ore*, Boise, TxT, UGA*, Miss**, VT**, Ok St**

* = 3 losses
** = 4 losses


A top-8 would work well within the separation currently employed by the BCS, a top-8 (yes I realize its more now) that play in a different echelon of games.

A top-16 would not only let in a very unworthy set of contenders, but it would further debase the value of making a bowl game. The top bowls not involved in a top-16 playoff would be relegated to a lot of 4 & 5 loss teams.