College Playoff

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

You mean like they pay the division I-AA, II, and III players?

i'm not gonna pull an Auburn and just blindly deny the possibilities.
i'm not naive enough to think that this couldn't or even hasn't happened.

i attended a 1AA school.
i personally know a guy who delivered a car to the back up qb.
a brand new car (nothing fancy, but a new car). knowing waht the qb drove before, and what his parents drove, I find it difficult (not impossible) to believe he or his family paid for the car.

if that little half broke 1AA scholl was possibly handing out gifts, i'm pretty sure it's happening on a much larger scale at schools that actually make money off of their football teams.


only thing i can do is hope and pray that no serious violations are uncovered and that we don't get plunger raped by the NCAA.

just sayin

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

Can't speak for Bay, but for my part, if Ohio State gets left out of the title game under the BCS formula, I'll complain about them having too weak a schedule.

Easy to say that now, but I bet you'd feel pretty angry for the kids who played their heart out all season and did everything within their power to prove they were the best.

It's easy to say this when we're talking about hypotheticals and teams you don't have a connection to. But what about when it's a team you've followed closely all season and has players and coaches you care about? Regardless of the schedule, you'd probably think the Bucks were the best team (part of being a fan). And you'd be pretty damn sour about it, regardless of whether the other teams had a "better" resume

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Easy to say that now, but I bet you'd feel pretty angry for the kids who played their heart out all season and did everything within their power to prove they were the best.

It's easy to say this when we're talking about hypotheticals and teams you don't have a connection to. But what about when it's a team you've followed closely all season and has players and coaches you care about? Regardless of the schedule, you'd probably think the Bucks were the best team (part of being a fan). And you'd be pretty damn sour about it, regardless of whether the other teams had a "better" resume

I'd "feel" pretty angry?

Dude.... grow a fucking pair. Not everyone wins.

I don't care if you believe me, but I've already stated my position on if Ohio State gets fucked over because of a weak schedule.

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

I'd "feel" pretty angry?

Dude.... grow a fucking pair. Not everyone wins.

I don't care if you believe me, but I've already stated my position on if Ohio State gets fucked over because of a weak schedule.

If my team wins every game put in front of them I want them to atleast have a chance to win a national title no matter what. Why should a team have to lose a chance at greatness because of some AD putting together a bad (not even necissarily a "bad" schedule, just one that happens to be not as good as the other 2) schedule years prior? Hell when the schedule was put together it might have even looked great at the time.

What if OSU has the 3rd best schedule in the nation, and 1 and 2 just happen to go undefeated? (Not gonna happen, but yeah I like playing with hypotheticals)

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

If my team wins every game put in front of them I want them to atleast have a chance to win a national title no matter what. Why should a team have to lose a chance at greatness because of some AD putting together a bad (not even necissarily a "bad" schedule, just one that happens to be not as good as the other 2) schedule years prior? Hell when the schedule was put together it might have even looked great at the time.

What if OSU has the 3rd best schedule in the nation, and 1 and 2 just happen to go undefeated? (Not gonna happen, but yeah I like playing with hypotheticals)

Then 1 and 2 get the shot and OSU wouldn't.

How is this so hard to understand?

 

[Gatorubet]

You mean like they pay the division I-AA, II, and III players?

I don't give a shit what they do in the other divisions Mili.

I care about what the kids at my alma mater would have to do.

And I don't think they should have to risk permanent injury after a long SEC (or Big-10)season by playing an extra three or four games - at least not for the reason of satisfying fan interest in the ultimate winner of a "who-is-hot/what match-up did you draw" tourney. And I like the uncertainty and arguments about the lack of a definitive champion. Makes for a better off-season.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I don't give a shit what they do in the other divisions Mili.

I care about what the kids at my alma mater would have to do.

Tough fucking shit. I don't want to hear any whiny assed shit about I-A schools--be they SEC, Big Ten, or whatever--with top notch training, conditioning, medical support, coaching, facilities, etc., not having to do what everone else in college football does.

As for your "If you make those kids play a 14 or 15 game season you'd better pay them" argument, Florida already plays at least 14 games now if they make the SEC CCG (12 regular season games + SEC CCG + bowl). So, is Florida already paying them?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

And I like the uncertainty and arguments about the lack of a definitive champion. Makes for a better off-season.

Agree. I don't know why people think arguing about college football is "bad"

 

[BB73]

Agree. I don't know why people think arguing about college football is "bad"

So you're agreeable about arguing?

 

[Gatorubet]

Tough [censored]ing [Mark May]. I don't want to hear any whiny assed [Mark May] about I-A schools--be they SEC, Big Ten, or whatever--with top notch training, conditioning, medical support, coaching, facilities, etc., not having to do what everone else in college football does.

Then you'd better buy a nice bike and spend your time riding around a volcano all day, because that is my opinion, and you're going to have to read it tough guy.

As for your "If you make those kids play a 14 or 15 game season you'd better pay them" argument, Florida already plays at least 14 games now if they make the SEC CCG (12 regular season games + SEC CCG + bowl). So, is Florida already paying them?

OK. I'll play. If 13 is cool, why not 15? If 15 is cool, why not 16? 17? 18? They have top notch training, conditioning, medical support, coaching, facilities, etc, right?? So 20? 22? Nah, I don't think Mili is in for the 22 game season. So we can agree that no matter the facilities and training, there is some kind of arbitrary limit that we can employ - should employ - in limiting the amount of time and services expected from our supposed scholar athletes.

I get that your arbitrary number is a different arbitrary number than mine. At this point it's just when you happen to hold up the stop sign. I hold mine up sooner than you. So you win the "whiny assed [Mark May]" name calling battle. But Kyle never saw a picture of me running in a blouse.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I get that your arbitrary number is a different arbitrary number than mine. At this point it's just when you happen to hold up the stop sign.

It's not an arbitrary number...it's the number that I-A, I-AA, II, and III play (plus or minus one). You made a poor attempt at implying that the big schools couldn't handle the increased play load. Of any section of college football, I-A should be the most likely to "get through" a season extended by playoffs. Wisconsin-Whitewater and Mount Union (Div III national game teams) played 14 games total. Minnesota-Duluth was a perfect 15-0 in winning the 2010 Div II title. If Div II and III schools can handle a 14-15 game season, I think that a couple of top-tier I-A teams can, too...

 

[Gatorubet]

It's not an arbitrary number...it's the number that I-A, I-AA, II, and III play (plus or minus one). You made a poor attempt at implying that the big schools couldn't handle the increased play load. Of any section of college football, I-A should be the most likely to "get through" a season extended by playoffs. Wisconsin-Whitewater and Mount Union (Div III national game teams) played 14 games total. Minnesota-Duluth was a perfect 15-0 in winning the 2010 Div II title. If Div II and III schools can handle a 14-15 game season, I think that a couple of top-tier I-A teams can, too...

I think they can. I just don't they that they should. The nonsense of the scholar athlete morphing into a full time money-maker for the school/bowls/NCAA by playing an even more extended season - for the purpose of me having a more definitive claim to a National Championship...when it is really just an excuse for making even more money for the networks and conferences and Bowl Committees - makes me think of Doc's line from Tombstone: "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds."

 

[buckeyebri]

I think they can. for the purpose of me having a more definitive claim to a National Championship...

Here is where I think we go wrong in this argument (I know you are not promoting this Gator). Are we really going to have a more definitive champion in basketball just because a team got hot and won 6 straight....Really VCU deserves to be crowned National Champions because they won a tournament???? I just don't buy that. It cheapens the regular season.

What about all the arguments that will come from all the teams who don't get in to a 8 or 12 team playoff who feel or can argue that they are just as deserving. How long before they expand the tournament to include more teams (e.g. make more money)?

 

[Gatorubet]

Here is where I think we go wrong in this argument (I know you are not promoting this Gator). Are we really going to have a more definitive champion in basketball just because a team got hot and won 6 straight....Really VCU deserves to be crowned National Champions because they won a tournament???? I just don't buy that. It cheapens the regular season.

at least not for the reason of satisfying fan interest in the ultimate winner of a "who-is-hot/what match-up did you draw" tourney. And I like the uncertainty and arguments about the lack of a definitive champion. Makes for a better off-season.

Not expressed well by me, but I agree with you.

 

[jwinslow]

I want no part of a system that lets in teams that lose 25% of their games, let alone the four loss squads that frequently creep into the top 16. Honestly there is almost never a true NC contender after #4 or 5, and it usually only reaches that total with multiple undefeated midmajors that beat up on bad teams.


Remember all of those jokes about um losing three games every year? Or how they went off the deep end trying to overhaul their program to get past that ? Those underachieving carr squads would now be in the title hunt with three losses.

YSU won the 1991 national title as low seed with 3 losses (IIRC, they were seeded 11th). They also won the won the 1993 and 1997 national titles with 2 losses. They also went into the 1992 and 1999 playoffs with 2 losses (lost 1992 title game to Marshall and 1999 title game to Georgia Southern). In each of those four years entering the playoffs with 2 losses, YSU was seeded either just inside or just outside the top 8.

touching. It doesn't change how mediocre that list gets after the cop 8, if not a few teams less than that.

And now since more and more I-AA teams are playing upper-level I-A teams early in the season, a solid I-AA team could have 3 losses entering the playoffs. So, you can't sit there and claim a 2- or 3-loss team is mediocre just because of their record.

how about actually addressing my BCS teams instead of these comparisons to a different level of football ?

Are you arguing those #9-16 teams are elite teams ?

And yes, I am talking about OSU in 08. They were not an elite, NC caliber team.

As for I-A, most teams in the top 16 of the BCS at the end of the regular season and conference championship games will have only 1 or 2 losses.

most teams in the top ten, not in the next six. One loss teams are rare there and usually indicative of a very weak schedule like boise or MSU.