College Playoff

[matcar]

Then 1 and 2 get the shot and OSU wouldn't.

How is this so hard to understand?

Wake me up when it happens. Meanwhile watching VCU and Butler compete for shot @ the championship might be "fun" it doesn't make them the best team, just one on a run. No thanks.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I think they can. I just don't they that they should. The nonsense of the scholar athlete morphing into a full time money-maker for the school/bowls/NCAA by playing an even more extended season - for the purpose of me having a more definitive claim to a National Championship...when it is really just an excuse for making even more money for the networks and conferences and Bowl Committees - makes me think of Doc's line from Tombstone: "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds."

Div I-AA, II, and III don't have playoffs to make money, so your "morphing into a full time money-maker" claim holds no water.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Yeah, you anti-playoff guys are right. The BCS system is so good, I think the NFL should use it. Maybe then we'd finally get a *real* NFL champion as opposed to all of these sub-.500 pretenders who keep winning the Vince Lombardi Trophy.

I am looking forward to seeing the Harris voters pick out which two teams deserve to be in the Super Bowl. Then we can have some lesser bowls in terrific tourist spots for all of the also-rans who don't deserve to make the playoffs anyway, because studio talking heads lobbied against them all year.

Maybe we can have the Bahamas Bowl, a Tokyo Bowl, a London bowl, and maybe even a Dubai Bowl (those crazy sheiks buy up everything anyway). It's going to be super-neato and way, way better than those dumb, boring ol' playoffs, and all of the fans will get to take fun vacations in January and not have to travel to awful places like Buffalo just because the Bills were good that year.

BCS, baby! It's the future.

 

[jwinslow]

Yeah, you anti-playoff guys are right.

I can tell this is going to be a really persuasive and convincing post. BTW, I'm not anti playoff.

But there will be major trade offs for the regular season to achieve a different postseason.

My favorite argument is how the BCS leaves so many teams out, as though fairness is the motivating factor here and not more football games. If you want to be nicer to all teams, don't ruin the entire bowl season by reducing it to a NIT esque field of teams.

The BCS system is so good, I think the NFL should use it. Maybe then we'd finally get a *real* NFL champion as opposed to all of these sub-.500 pretenders who keep winning the Vince Lombardi Trophy.

given the volume of hyperbole in this response, I am shocked to see problems with the comparison. Like firing and cutting the losing players who don't get the job done in Detroit or Cleveland. Perhaps they can just dump the rosters at purdue or Iowa and start over, let alone at northwestern. Maybe then they can compete. Oh, it will still be the same two dozen programs by and large?

So much for including all of those mid pack teams the NFL does.

You know, the ones that are very competitive with the top teams in the league, a money driven parity that doesn't compare to cfb, which will remain segregated between the haves and have nots in either system.

Maybe we can have the Bahamas Bowl, a Tokyo Bowl, a London bowl, and maybe even a Dubai Bowl (those crazy sheiks buy up everything anyway). It's going to be super-neato and way, way better than those dumb, boring ol' playoffs, and all of the fans will get to take fun vacations in January and not have to travel to awful places like Buffalo just because the Bills were good that year.

BCS, baby! It's the future.

I hope you feel better, because that was humorous to read.

I assume we can expect a similarly sarcastic rant over the outrage of destination games for super bowls? Or did that part get left out of your comparison, despite it being the deciding game and all, and almost all games before that are held at home stadiums in both leagues?

 

[jwinslow]

A top-8 is more than sufficient and avoids reducing the have-nots to a skeleton crew like the NCAA tourney does to the NIT leftovers. It would actually add more quality teams to the non elite postseason pool, as the BCS takes more than 8.

I don't see why these teams deserve a shot at a title in 07:

#9 WVU 10-2 | RR choked vs Pitt. He doesn't deserve another shot at a NC.
#10 Haw 12-0 | Play someone then ask for an invite (and no, Boise & losing-record Washington don't count)
#11 ASU 10-2 | Lost to the two quality teams on their schedule (Ore & USC), blown out in the latter
#12 UF 9-3 | Tebow was great in spite of that young, inconsistent team. Carr's woeful squad turned into a juggernaut in their matchup, I don't think they needed a playoff invite.
#13 ILL 9-3 | They beat OSU, after losing to Mizzou, Iowa & UM. They were a nice story but not a title contender, as USC showed in the postseason.
#14 BC 10-3 | They lost 3 of their last 5, despite Matt Ryan's best efforts. Not title worthy whatsoever.
#15 CLE 9-3 | Lost to both division winners and GT. Solid team, not title material.
#16 Tenn 9-4 | Blown out in three of their four losses.


There are a few exceptions over the years, but by and large that #9-16 pool is not very impressive.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

touching. It doesn't change how mediocre that list gets after the cop 8, if not a few teams less than that.
how about actually addressing my BCS teams instead of these comparisons to a different level of football ?

Good. I'll call Coach Tressel and ask him to request that YSU give back the national title prophies because they were so mediocre those years.

how about actually addressing my BCS teams instead of these comparisons to a different level of football ?

Are you arguing those #9-16 teams are elite teams ?

Not too much less "elite" than numbers 5 thru 8. As far as "different level of football", I-AA teams play other I-AA teams in the playoffs, as would I-A teams play other I-A teams in a playoff. The level of competition is commensurate with the level of the participants, regardless of the division.

And yes, I am talking about OSU in 08. They were not an elite, NC caliber team.

Hate to burst your bubble, but no one was "elite" in the 2007 season, hence a 2-loss national champion.

 

[buckiprof]

FYI, the loss to Iowa State was Iowa's only regular-season loss that year; their 2nd loss was in the Orange Bowl to USC. So the comparison would be between 2 unbeatens (though OSU was 13-0 while Iowa would have been 12-0), but I still don't believe previously-unranked Iowa would have actually climbed above an OSU team that was top-10 in every regular-season poll. It's debatable for sure, but there's not "no way" the Buckeyes would have still been in the BCSNCG.

You are correct....that's what I get for posting quickly before heading to class and not having the time to check my memory.

I still stand by the "the is no way Iowa would have been ahead of OSU" claim. Another component of the BCS formula during the 2002 season was the quality win. If I remember correctly (it has been a long day and I just got home from some racquetball and took a wicked shot to the head) the formula defined a quality win as a win over a team in the Top 10 of the BCS. I think you had a bonus 0.1 point deduction for a win over a team ranked 10, 0.2 if the team was ranked 9, 0.3 if the team was ranked 8, etc.

Now according to the final BCS standings for 2002, Washington State was ranked #6. OSU's win over Washington State netted OSU a bonus of 0.6 point deduction. I don't think Iowa had any such quality win. So if Iowa also finished undefeated and by some stretch of really weird logic they were ranked #2 in AP poll and USA Today poll (and of course the rest of the assumption is that OSU would have been ranked #3 since they would have been the only other undefeated team), that 0.6 bonus point deduction would have more than made up the difference. I know that one time during the regular season, the bonus deduction OSU was receiving actually propelled them to a #1 ranking in the BCS for one week. (I remember by friend who is a Miami fan fraking about it too. Some foreshadowing I guess as I sat next to him in Tempe).

I mention this not because I am a BCS apologist nor am I necessarily pro-BCS. I am not anti-playoff I am not pro-playoff. I think the "every game is important" has been dismissed by some too quickly. There are few teams where every game is important really applies to, I think we all realize that. The majority of teams do not have a chance at the national championship no matter the format.

If there were a playoff, no matter where the line is drawn, there will always be a team saying that they should have been let in....same could be said about the BCS when there are multiple 1-loss teams vying for a spot in the BCSNCG.

What I think will happen eventually, not what I want or don't want, is a playoff that utilizes a BCS type device to determine the playoff teams. Maybe it starts with just 4 teams or maybe 8 teams. Hell maybe it starts with 16 teams.

I think this because as most everyone agrees, it is all about money. Imagine an 8 team playoff that utilizes the Rose, Sugar, Orange and Cotton Bowls (going back to old-time tradition of the January 1 bowls there)...each of those games meaningful...each demanding big bucks for tv. Too much money to not be had.

Or maybe we will see the creation of 4, 16-team super conferences, where the conference champion is then put into a 4 team playoff. You would actually have 8 teams in the playoff as the conference championship would be the first round. This would actually have 64 teams at the beginning of the year claiming that every game is important...much more than can currently say that.

 

[SmoovP]

When the playoffs finally happen, and I believe they eventually will, the first time some bullshit three-loss team makes a run through the playoffs and beats an undefeated tOSU team for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD, everyone here in favor of a playoff will change their tune.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

When the playoffs finally happen, and I believe they eventually will, the first time some bullshit three-loss team makes a run through the playoffs and beats an undefeated tOSU team for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD, everyone here in favor of a playoff will change their tune.

This can be simplified to:

When shit doesn't go your way, you will want it to go the other way and suddenly that other way makes perfect sense.

Cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, etc...

 

[SmoovP]

This can be simplified to:

When [Mark May] doesn't go your way, you will want it to go the other way and suddenly that other way makes perfect sense.

Cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, etc...

I don't know about simplified, Sloop.

Those are some might pretty words you just used.

 

[AuburnBuckeye]

Then 1 and 2 get the shot and OSU wouldn't.

How is this so hard to understand?

How big is the difference really between the 1st 2nd and 3rd ranked schedules? Is it even noticeable? Is it enough to decide that 1 and 2 are definitively better and 3 isn't even in the same league and deserves no shot? Sounds lame as hell to me, but I guess this is just a difference of opinion

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

How big is the difference really between the 1st 2nd and 3rd ranked schedules? Is it even noticeable? Is it enough to decide that 1 and 2 are definitively better and 3 isn't even in the same league and deserves no shot? Sounds lame as hell to me, but I guess this is just a difference of opinion

How big is the difference really between the 15, 16, and 17th ranked schedules? Is it even noticeable? Is it enough to decide that 15 and 16 are definitively better and 17 isn't even in the same league and deserve no shot? Sounds lame as hell to me, but I guess this is just a difference of opinion.

 

[IronBuckI]

How big is the difference really between the 15, 16, and 17th ranked schedules? Is it even noticeable? Is it enough to decide that 15 and 16 are definitively better and 17 isn't even in the same league and deserve no shot? Sounds lame as hell to me, but I guess this is just a difference of opinion.

Agreed. How big of a difference is there between teams 16 and 20? Because 1AA expanded to 20...probably based on that argument.

 

[CleveBucks]

So what would happen if you took teams 1-64 from the 2010 football season and plugged them into the results of the 2011 march madness bracket? The final four is the equivalent of Oklahoma State vs VA Tech and Air Force vs Northern Illinois. Riveting.

WSJ link

 

[BayBuck]

Ohio State started 13th

Still well ahead of Iowa.

That was preseason: as soon as they started playing games, OSU was #10, and Iowa wasn't even in the top-25 for another month.