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bukIpower
Head Coach
I think it hinges on this... If the committee puts osu and scum as #2 and #4 going into our game in two weeks (provided we get revenge this week) then you can be sure they're trying to pave the way for the winner of that game going to the playoffs no matter what really happens.
NO WAY do we beat a #4 ranked scum team and then get the shaft in the last two weeks.
(Also provided scum wins next week)
NO WAY do we beat a #4 ranked scum team and then get the shaft in the last two weeks.
(Also provided scum wins next week)
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GovTressel76
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Anyone saying there "zero chance" we get left out has blinders on. I do think most scenarios would result in us getting in, but there's still multiple scenarios that don't.
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Telekinesis
Easily Amused by the Bitterly Disappointed
I don't think it's possible for them to put us at #2, then have that #2 team beat the #4 ranked team in the country and be left out of the picture. That wouldn't make any damn sense and everyone knows it. They'll either be taking two B1G teams or leaving the conference champ out... and with the way the conference has performed this year along with previous criteria for getting in, I don't see that as a possibility, either.
So this is where we stand if the committee puts the Bucks at #2: Win and in, regardless of anything else that happens with the Big Ten. If Penn State wins out and we don't make the Championship game, then the CFP is willing to have two teams from the conference in the final four. They'd just hope PSU trips up against MSU so they don't have to deal with it.
So this is where we stand if the committee puts the Bucks at #2: Win and in, regardless of anything else that happens with the Big Ten. If Penn State wins out and we don't make the Championship game, then the CFP is willing to have two teams from the conference in the final four. They'd just hope PSU trips up against MSU so they don't have to deal with it.
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Bucky32
Legend
I don't see an argument for Wisconsin over Ohio State if the Buckeyes beat Michigan. They will have wins over Oklahoma, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Their only loss will have been a close road loss to Penn State that included some very fluky plays. If you compare records of the top 4, they will be 2-1, Michigan will be 2-1, Wisconsin will be 1-2 if they beat Penn State, and Penn State will be 1-2.
The real question is whether Wisconsin gets in over another conference champion with only 1 loss (Clemson or Washington).
The real question is whether Wisconsin gets in over another conference champion with only 1 loss (Clemson or Washington).
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
This thought occurred to me given that it's said that the system is "rigged" in a variety of contexts - that Urban should rig it by sending Chris Ash some of his 2s and 3's. Joe Burrow, A Williams, Mack, and some young talent on both lines and every position. It could work. O & D systems are similar or the same. The players would wear uniforms of the Rutgers players they are replacing.
Penn St would not be put in the position where they are embarrassed by going to Indy when everyone knows they are no better than the 3rd best team in the B1G East. Plus they would have an actual and real conspiracy to whine about.
Penn St would not be put in the position where they are embarrassed by going to Indy when everyone knows they are no better than the 3rd best team in the B1G East. Plus they would have an actual and real conspiracy to whine about.
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zincfinger
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I think what most of those people were saying was not that a 4-team playoff would ruin the regular season. Rather, it was that a 4-team playoff (i) would diminish the importance of the regular season to a modest extent, and (ii) would not end up giving the proponents what they wanted in the long term (some kind of indisputable, or at least much fairer championship), so that it would naturally progress to 8 teams, then maybe more. Then the regular season would be like NCAA basketball. Point (i) I think is true. For example, Penn State's early season losses would have eliminated them in previous formats, now they hardly matter. But that's modest. Part (ii) remains to be seen, but we are seeing inklings in this very thread. Either way, you can certainly make the argument that the entertainment of the playoff outweighs whatever effects in has on the regular season.
I agree that it is reasonable to characterize the situation as being one where the amount of help that OSU needs to probably get into the playoff is not that great. To your second quoted point, that is indisputable.
You're right, but I think you're ending your analysis prematurely. Assuming OSU is ranked #2 tomorrow, and that they beat MSU and UM, they will almost certainly be ranked #2 at the end of the regular season. Unless PSU loses in the next 2 weeks, it is far less likely (I would say, very unlikely) that they will hold that ranking thereafter.
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zincfinger
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The last thing I want to do is make this political, but I think it is somewhat a question of how "federalist" the playoff committee's approach is. If they take the approach of "When all the games have been played, we will let each conference tell us who their "best" team is, and then make our selections accordingly." It doesn't necessarily mean that e.g. anyone really thinks Wisconsin is better than OSU; it means the conference gets to determine its champion, and that holds sway.
That said, if the BigTen CCG is Penn State vs. Wisconsin, a Wisconsin win would almost certainly be better for OSU's chances than a Penn State win would be. Even more so if by some strange turn it is Penn State vs. Nebraska.
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Right....but how, oh how my friend, could they possibly put in freaking P$U over us?? I mean, they lost to PITT!!!! And, scUM who, we could POSSIBLY beat (I am not taking anything for granted). Their strength of schedule is shit. We are the only ranked team they beat.
Wisky would be more likely, don't you think to get in, since they have similar signature wins (granted one is over an overrated LSU). Yes, we beat them. But in OT. I'm not sure we shouldn't be rooting for the Pedsters IF they get in. Overall, we need to root for ourselves to get past Sparty AND scUM (that has now had a wake-up call).
Yes, it was fun to watch scUM lose. But, I really wish they would've trounced Iowa and WE COULD'VE beat them.
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3yardsandacloud
Administrator Emeritus
I like where we are. Love the mindset we have to have the last few weeks of the season. Being a young team and not having a guaranteed path to the 4 spots means we have to go out and win games. Not just win them but win in convincing fashion. I'd much rather that mindset than having the opinion that we are in if only we can avoid a loss. Completely different attitude knowing you have to get the W versus avoid the L. Frees you up to play to your potential rather than worry about making mistakes. I think that's Meyer at his best as well. It also allows this team to grow and peak at the most important time of the year. The other scenario I think is better suited to Tress ball. :-)
Should be an exciting few weeks ... Go Bucks!
Should be an exciting few weeks ... Go Bucks!
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zincfinger
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No question. Anytime you're on the cusp, you want your CCG opponent to be the most highly-rated team possible. OSU was in a similar position in 2014, hoping that Wisconsin would take care of Minnesota, so that OSU could get a top-ten opponent. Wisconsin fans should probably be pulling for anyone to beat Penn State or, failing that, for Michigan to beat OSU.
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GovTressel76
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I agree that Penn State doesn't look at strong, but what matters is the criteria the committee uses. Conference championships matter most...head-to-head is second. Penn State would have both.
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They wouldn't hold the 2 spot, but it'd be pretty damn hard to defend moving us from 2 to 5 while winning out. There's more wiggle room for them to do their mental gymnastics this week to keep us out of the 2 spot if they don't want us there without winning the conference. Where they put us tomorrow tells me everything I need to know about how they truly feel about a non-conference winning but clearly top 4 team.
Gerdman said it over the weekend. The BCS found a way to put in 2 teams from the same division into a 2 team playoff. Surely the committee can handle 2 out of 4 teams.
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