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zincfinger
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The confidently-stated guess in that article is that OSU needs Stanford and Alabama to lose, with the ACC CCG being irrelevant, because USC and (probably) Florida are the only potential conference champions who wouldn't go in ahead of OSU.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Yep. They may not have won a ton of NC's, but since 1980, Michigan was a national contender for all but 07-14. Texas was a second-tier afterthought for all of that period except the 04-09 window. Literally complete opposites.
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yep
another person who thinks tie breaker rules from last year are the primary selection rule the CFP committee has to go by
it was a bad guess before Tuesday's poll came out, it's pretty much an indefensible one after someone sees the CFP panel leave UNC at 10
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Onebuckfan
classof76
And everything before next Sunday is mostlygarbage made for TV sport talk radio and rabid fans.
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zincfinger
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I don't think it's a question of tie breaker "rules", but a question of how strong a factor a conference championship, or lack thereof, is for the committee.
For this year at least, I hope you are right that it's only pretty important, but I'm not convinced that Fiutak is wrong in the guess that it's very important. Qualitatively speaking.
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shiloh
Heisman
ok, not a lotta love for Texas, but they were the team that stopped Southern Cal's NC run in 2005 and descended rapidly thereafter. Reminds me of a very, very old joke. How do you find Texas? You go west until you smell shit. That's Oklahoma. Then you go south until you step in it. That's Texas.
And they have their own TV network, so they can pretty much do whatever they want. And the irony the most impressive TX team this year was Houston as Baylor/TCU totally fizzled out er choked. Shocking! Which should help UT in TX recruiting.
And speaking of choking, TN against ***mighty*** OK. So many woulda, coulda, shoulda's. What if's. Sort of like Ohio State being ***lucky*** last year. Indeed, it takes a bit of luck to win a NC.
carry on
And they have their own TV network, so they can pretty much do whatever they want. And the irony the most impressive TX team this year was Houston as Baylor/TCU totally fizzled out er choked. Shocking! Which should help UT in TX recruiting.
And speaking of choking, TN against ***mighty*** OK. So many woulda, coulda, shoulda's. What if's. Sort of like Ohio State being ***lucky*** last year. Indeed, it takes a bit of luck to win a NC.
carry on
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They are pretty clear about it on their site. They put an emphasis on conference championships if two teams are equal.
As of the latest poll I'm not sure how anyone could think they see OSU and UNC as equal. They also spell out the course of action for "displaced conference champions" as I have pointed out a few times.
Being a conference champ isn't going to elevate UNC to equal with OSU then used again as the tie breaker. It's used as a differentiator if they see UNC and OSU as equal to begin with.
Now, UNC could go ass rape Clemson 59-0 and shoot that theory dead but I'll take my chances.
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
From the CFP website (obviously there's more, but relevant to the current discussion):
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
- Championships won
- Strength of schedule
- Head-to-head competition (if it occurred)
- Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
As this relates to OSU:
- vs. UNC: As Jax pointed out, I don't think anyone would say that UNC and OSU are comparable, and the committee would almost certainly conclude that OSU is unequivocally better.
- vs. Stanford: I happen to think, when looking at OSU and Stanford and how each has played this season, that the teams aren't comparable and that OSU is unequivocally better. OSU has far better talent and never really was challenged in any of its wins this year (except for Indiana, who was undefeated at the time and playing with a great deal of motivation). Stanford, on the other hand, came within an eyelash of losing to ND, should've lost to WSU (kicker missed a FG at the buzzer) and lost to a Northwestern team that I contend is so-so, despite its record.
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I like our chances there. Expect to be ranked ahead of the loser, haven't been recently, and in terms of revenue... no comparison.
So I'm thinking worst case scenario is a trip to Pasadena...
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jakenick06
Hall of Fame
Being a conference champ is only as important as they want it to be..
Jeff Long was quoted speaking of the back and forth that took place between selecting Alabama or Clemson #1...is Alabama less closer to #1 if Ole Miss beats Arkansas? Out of the top 4?
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zincfinger
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Damnit, I'm trying to temper my hopes here with some wild-ass speculation. If you guys get my hopes up with quoting of guidelines and such, only to see OSU left out in favor of some moderately-ok ACC or PAC team, you won't be forgiven.
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