Coaches leaving after signing day discussion

[BuckeyeNation27]

you're going to suck as a recruiter if your goal is honesty.

Hey Mike, osu is totally awesome, here is why. Also, as always during these convos, don't forget that I had another interview with another team and plan to leave If I get the offer. But seriously, if that falls through, it would be awesome to coach you up until another one does. Obviously I'm trumping things up but there is no way to be honest and successful with that approach.



You could tell him if you are officially gone but he will still feel betrayed.

Then why do we bother sending coaches who aren't going to be the recruit's position coach if the only pitch we can sell them is "I'm going to be your coach for a billion years"? Coombs can recruit a kid from the Cinci area who isn't even going to wind up on defense by telling them all the great things about Ohio State. Drayton can't do the same? I don't buy it at all. There's no reason he couldn't have sold the positives about Ohio State, the negatives about Michigan, and told the truth about his intentions on moving up the coaching ladder. Such honesty seems like it would have been another reason to pick Ohio State over the deceptions Michigan pulled with Higdon.

 

[RB07OSU]

Then why do we bother sending coaches who aren't going to be the recruit's position coach if the only pitch we can sell them is "I'm going to be your coach for a billion years"? Coombs can recruit a kid from the Cinci area who isn't even going to wind up on defense by telling them all the great things about Ohio State. Drayton can't do the same? I don't buy it at all. There's no reason he couldn't have sold the positives about Ohio State, the negatives about Michigan, and told the truth about his intentions on moving up the coaching ladder. Such honesty seems like it would have been another reason to pick Ohio State over the deceptions Michigan pulled with Higdon.

That is exactly where I am at. If he does that, I still think Weber is a Buckeye with open eyes. I just do not see the need to pull wool over anyone's eyes when we are sitting where we are sitting. Just say "Hey, I have other coaching offers that I am entertaining. But rest assured, the reigning national champions with the best support-base in all off college football will make sure you are successful whether I am there or not. And if I do get that job, you will have a great coach replacing me because we are THE Ohio State University." That is the truth and equally successful imo.

 

[kujirakira]

Or it was an example to show how timing is everything, and some people (I suppose including youself) still can't seem to see how it could possibly be deceitful or wrong, because you know it was OSU doing it. So I figured I'd relate it to another situation where not being truthful could lead to an upset party due to lack of known information. I could replace the example with one that won't make you a sad puppy with hurt feelings if you want if it helps you understand how something your beloved University did could possibly be wrong. Anything to help, just let me know.

Or there's a world of difference between knowingly infecting somebody with STDs and leaving for a new job after recruiting somebody.
Hurt Feelings != Health Consequences.

 

[jwinslow]

That is exactly where I am at. If he does that, I still think Weber is a Buckeye with open eyes. I just do not see the need to pull wool over anyone's eyes when we are sitting where we are sitting. Just say "Hey, I have other coaching offers that I am entertaining. But rest assured, the reigning national champions with the best support-base in all off college football will make sure you are successful whether I am there or not. And if I do get that job, you will have a great coach replacing me because we are THE Ohio State University." That is the truth and equally successful imo.

Except recruiting is foremost about comfort and relationships and your pitch is driving home that the one you are building is unlikely to exist much longer.

A pitch like yours might work on a die-hard buckeye fan but someone from the heart of Michigan with everyone leaning on him to ditch osu? They would pounce on that honesty, not to mention the other coaching staffs when they catch word of your self undermining honesty.

Go play for a school where the coach plans to leave you behind as soon as possible or stay home and rebuild Michigan into a powerhouse once more with loyal Michigan men.

 

[Buckeye86]

Once again, I think Weber is being guided by some extremely butthurt people with an axe to grind right now.

These people tried very hard to set up secret meetings between Weber and UM, to set up secret "official visits" at UM that didn't even happen on campus and were probably major recruiting violations (not to mention the reported initial contact by Harbaugh which was a major recruiting violation but was retracted once people realized that), and to step in and heavily steer Weber to UM despite his own personal wishes.

They failed and yet continue to push their agenda like spurned teenage girls.

If Weber gets away from these people and makes it to OSU, I think he will get over the loss of Drayton in 5 seconds, not have a single regret, and be significantly better off than if he is convinced to do something knee jerk and stupid in the short term.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Rules, not Buckeyes' Meyer, to blame in latest recruiting saga

Good Fox Sports article: http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story...te-michigan-recruiting-saga-mike-weber-020615

 

[buckeyesin07]

As to the second point: Adjectives like "unfortunate" won't make me soften on the situation. His coach has watched numerous players from Cass Tech go to Columbus...why would he wait until now to raise an issue? If he had an ax to grind, I suspect he would have been publicly mad over Damon Webb's recruitment or earlier.
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The answer to your question is so obvious that at first I thought it was a rhetorical question. In case you missed the news, Wilcher's four-year teammate at Michigan is now the head coach at Michigan. If you don't think Harbaugh has been turning the screws to Wilcher since Day 1 of his tenure at Michigan about steering CT players to their in-state alma mater, then you're more naive than you've been accusing others around here of being. Couple that with Wilcher wanting to make his buddy Harbaugh happy, and the ridiculous grandstanding by Wilcher on a radio show yesterday (supposedly done to benefit Mike Weber, which......pffffffft) and the general making a mountain out of a molehill that is being done here, are not all that surprising.

 

[MSURacerDT55]

FWIW I'm of the opinion that if Weber - not his idiot coaches, not his parents and not all the other morons around him - wants out of his LOI, let him out.

Ohio State will be just fine without him. There are plenty of kids out there that will WANT to be here.

That's where I am, being here in Detroit, they have made such a big thing about this that I'm tired of hearing about it. These butt hurt UM fans on the radio use this as an excuse to create a witch hunt saying you shouldn't let OSU into Detroit. As a former PSL coach, I've long said that Weber may be the best back in Detroit since Glenn Winston and never thought he would don the Scarlett and Gray but if its going to sever future ties I dont want him.

Let him go to UM and average 3.3 yards per carry running behind Kalis.And furthermore, they better be real careful about what they wish for because if we flip it and say you can't cross over unto Ohio, that would damn near kill them

With all that being said, The Ohio State University is always welcome at Madison Heights Madison High School

 

[maximumblitz]

If urb speaks to wilcher, whatever he says wll be relayed to the world. I would not call him

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Reason #394,309 why I don't worry about these kids (or their HS coaches) until they actually enter a game.

 

[Hstead]

I wonder if Urban took into account that this may have blown up like it has? I have a feeling Drayton and Urban had a pretty good idea this could happen. Obviously Wilcher is using it as a battering ram and hammering Urban as hard as he can so far. So there is the possibility that taking this one player may inhibit us from getting multiple players in the future, biting our nose off despite our face. It would be really really hard to get any kids out of Cass Tech if the coach bans tOSU from their school which high school coaches do all of the time including the high school I played at. Is Mike worth four, five, maybe more Cass Tech kids in the future? Then there is the fact that any mistake by tOSU was and is going to get blown to the nth proportion by Wilcher anyway.

At the end of the day, even though I am the biggest Buckeye homer on the planet, Weber is in a way better situation as a RB signed witht tOSU than he would be in if he had signed at scUM for all of the previously mentioned reasons, line, Urban, Power House, etc. Mike's biggest worry should be how hard it is going to be to get on the field at tOSU with the likes of EZE, Samuel, Walker, and what ever other stud RB decides that he too wants to be part of one of the best things going right now in college football.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Obviously Wilcher is using it as a battering ram and hammering Urban as hard as he can so far. So there is the possibility that taking this one player may inhibit us from getting multiple players in the future, biting our nose off despite our face. It would be really really hard to get any kids out of Cass Tech if the coach bans tOSU from their school which high school coaches do all of the time including the high school I played at. Is Mike worth four, five, maybe more Cass Tech kids in the future? Then there is the fact that any mistake by tOSU was and is going to get blown to the nth proportion by Wilcher anyway.

If Wilcher is going on radio shows and grandstanding like he has been--not to mention his behind-the-scenes activities with respect to Weber's recruitment in order to help his alma mater--then I think it's a stretch to think we would get "four, five, maybe more Cass Tech kids in the future," at least so long as Wilcher's former teammate Harbaugh is head coach at Michigan. And that's regardless of the Weber situation. Wilcher has, to put it mildly, tipped his hand when it comes to how he'll conduct himself in the near future when both OSU and Michigan are going after the same Cass Tech kid.

As I've said before, this is a matter that Urban Meyer and Mike Weber need to sort out. Wilcher whining about not getting what he seems to think is his due is beside the point. It would be nice if Wilcher started actually looking out for Mike's best interest--to my knowledge, he hasn't addressed Michigan telling Mike that it wouldn't offer another RB, and then pulling the rug out from under Mike by signing Karan Higdon on Wednesday.

 

[kujirakira]

Does anyone think Wilcher will get this upset when Harbaugh inevitably leaves for the NFL in the midst of bowl season?
Best case scenario now would be that Harbaugh adds Wilcher to his staff in order to bolster his 2016 class and the next HC there isn't their shill.

 

[redguard117]

Does anyone think Wilcher will get this upset when Harbaugh inevitably leaves for the NFL in the midst of bowl season?
Best case scenario now would be that Harbaugh adds Wilcher to his staff in order to bolster his 2016 class and the next HC there isn't their shill.

It'll never happen. Wilcher's practically on their staff already, why would Harbaugh remove him from a position where he has even more sway with recruits?

 

[Buckeye1]

Buckeyesin07, I don't know anything about Welcher nor do I know his motives, neither do you. All your points here are based on what you "think", not facts of why he is upset. May be he is bias, I don't know, but is that an excuse for the way OSU should represent itself? Your point of view also inclined to point out that all those kids' parents are not smart enough to do their own research and see what is best for their kids. That they will all do as Welcher said to do.

All I know is, Weber played for this guy for four years. They should have a pretty good relationship. Welcher should be upset if that happens to any of his players, if he is not, then I would question him even more. As a coach, I want to help my kids make their best decision based on the truest information. It is very obvious that relationship to his position coach is important to Mike. May be not to you and many others here. But our way of seeing things is not how everyone see things.

We all love our Buckeyes, and truely believe that OSU is the best choice for MW (May be a little bias ), but that should not induce you from doing the right thing. As many have mentioned, there are plenty of positive things to sell the recruits...WE ARE THE OSU, right? If you have to be dishonest to win a recruit, then what does that say about you and your thought of the very school you represent? We have won with many two or three stars recruits before, and we will. Don't let the fight with tsun turns us into one of those who will do anything to win.

UFM will hire another great coach...looks like he is getting a better one on paper. Lets try to understand the difficult position that Mike and his family was and is in; acknowledge the mistake, celebrate the new hire, let his new teammates love him and move on. He will do amazing things here if he decides to stay.