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Mike Leach interested in Big Ten job

Mike Leach, when asked Monday on his Sirius radio show about the Minnesota vacancy, said he ?was in a position to listen to anybody? and called the Gophers ?a good program? in the Big Ten Conference. Leach?s attorney, Ted Liggett, said he heard rumors linking his client?s name to Minnesota, but said the Gophers had not contacted him as of Monday afternoon. ?Mike and I haven?t discussed specifically anything about the Minnesota position,? he said. ?Other than that, I can unequivocally say that there have been no offers made.? Liggett said Leach ?plans on getting back in coaching? soon, but it remains to be seen whether it will be next season. Texas Tech suspended Leach while the school investigated the treatment of wide receiver Adam James. The son of former NFL player and ESPN college football analyst Craig James alleged that, despite dealing with a concussion, Leach twice had him confined to small, dark spaces during practices. Just before Leach was going to pursue a restraining order in court, Texas Tech fired him, a day before Leach was to receive an $800,000 contract bonus. Leach has an ongoing lawsuit against his former school for that compensation. But Liggett said that case and the problems that arose at Texas Tech shouldn?t be an issue with him landing a job at Minnesota or any other school. ?Now it?s just become conventional wisdom that Mike didn?t do anything wrong,? Liggett said. ?And the incident with the player really had nothing at all to do with Mike being terminated.?

Entire article: http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_16372586

Re: ?Now it?s just become conventional wisdom that Mike didn?t do anything wrong,? Liggett said. ?And the incident with the player really had nothing at all to do with Mike being terminated.?

Says his agent. There are people at Texas Tech that beg to differ. :biggrin:
 
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Bucklion;1796440; said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but actually I give them credit for firing Mason. He clearly had reached his ceiling there...
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I don't think he had reached his ceiling, I think he had reached Minnesota's ceiling. I fault them for firing him because they didn't recognize the difference between the two.

To put Minnesota's history in perspective:

  • In 2003 Glen Mason led Minnesota to a 10-win season. The last guy to do it before him? Doc Williams in 1905. Having a 10-win season at Minnesota is like taking the Cubs to the playoffs.
  • In its entire history, Minnesota has participated in 14 bowl games. Glen Mason led them to seven of those appearances. His teams won three of those bowl games, all in a row. He is the only coach in Minnesota history to lead his team to more than two bowl games in a row, and the only coach there to win more than one (consecutively or not).
  • Minnesota has played (by my count) 128 seasons of football. Glen Mason coached 7.8% of those seasons, and accumulated 50% of their bowl appearances. Tim Brewster on the other hand has coached Minnesota for 2.8% of their history and has led them to 50% of their double-digit loss seasons - and he's going full steam ahead for another one.
I get that Minnesota wanted to "make a jump". I'd argue that they already had.
 
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jlb1705;1796898; said:
I don't think he had reached his ceiling, I think he had reached Minnesota's ceiling. I fault them for firing him because they didn't recognize the difference between the two.

To put Minnesota's history in perspective:

  • In 2003 Glen Mason led Minnesota to a 10-win season. The last guy to do it before him? Doc Williams in 1905. Having a 10-win season at Minnesota is like taking the Cubs to the playoffs.
  • In its entire history, Minnesota has participated in 14 bowl games. Glen Mason led them to seven of those appearances. His teams won three of those bowl games, all in a row. He is the only coach in Minnesota history to lead his team to more than two bowl games in a row, and the only coach there to win more than one (consecutively or not).
  • Minnesota has played (by my count) 128 seasons of football. Glen Mason coached 7.8% of those seasons, and accumulated 50% of their bowl appearances. Tim Brewster on the other hand has coached Minnesota for 2.8% of their history and has led them to 50% of their double-digit loss seasons - and he's going full steam ahead for another one.
I get that Minnesota wanted to "make a jump". I'd argue that they already had.
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Good points, good points. I'll counter with these though. His 3 major coaching stops as head man were Kent State, Kansas, and Minnesota.

Kent State: 12-10, best season: 7-4, worst season, 5-6, winning seasons: 1/2

Kansas: 47-54-1, best season, 10-2, worst season, 1-10, winning seasons: 4/9, bowls: 2-0

Minnesota: 64-57, best season, 10-3, worst season, 3-9, winning seasons: 5/10, bowls: 3-4

Overall: 123-121-1, best season, 10-2 at Kansas in 1995, worst season 1-10 at Kansas in 1988, winning seasons: 10/21, bowls: 5-4

Certainly a respectable career, but I don't exactly see anything there that jumps out at me and says he was/is a juggernaut waiting to happen at a school with a few more resources. I get that people like him here, and I do too, but I don't think he was ready to make any kind of concerted jump into a perennial winner, and I think aspects of his coaching record back that up.
 
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Bucklion;1796914; said:
Good points, good points. I'll counter with these though. His 3 major coaching stops as head man were Kent State, Kansas, and Minnesota.

Kent State: 12-10, best season: 7-4, worst season, 5-6, winning seasons: 1/2

Kansas: 47-54-1, best season, 10-2, worst season, 1-10, winning seasons: 4/9, bowls: 2-0

Minnesota: 64-57, best season, 10-3, worst season, 3-9, winning seasons: 5/10, bowls: 3-4

Overall: 123-121-1, best season, 10-2 at Kansas in 1995, worst season 1-10 at Kansas in 1988, winning seasons: 10/21, bowls: 5-4

Certainly a respectable career, but I don't exactly see anything there that jumps out at me and says he was/is a juggernaut waiting to happen at a school with a few more resources. I get that people like him here, and I do too, but I don't think he was ready to make any kind of concerted jump into a perennial winner, and I think aspects of his coaching record back that up.
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I don't really disagree about that. I guess I implied that Mason himself had a higher ceiling than Minnesota's program, but maybe it was more mutual than that. Anyway, I think Minnesota has made the perfect the enemy of the good - or the good the enemy of the halfway decent, as it were.
 
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jlb1705;1796917; said:
I don't really disagree about that. I guess I implied that Mason himself had a higher ceiling than Minnesota's program, but maybe it was more mutual than that. Anyway, I think Minnesota has made the perfect the enemy of the good - or the good the enemy of the halfway decent, as it were.
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Oh definitely, they (Mike) shart the bed something awful...I mean, the Mason tenure is surrounded by the joker they have now and Jim Wacker, for fuck's sake.
 
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jlb1705;1796898; said:
I don't think he had reached his ceiling, I think he had reached Minnesota's ceiling. I fault them for firing him because they didn't recognize the difference between the two.

To put Minnesota's history in perspective:

  • In 2003 Glen Mason led Minnesota to a 10-win season. The last guy to do it before him? Doc Williams in 1905. Having a 10-win season at Minnesota is like taking the Cubs to the playoffs.
  • In its entire history, Minnesota has participated in 14 bowl games. Glen Mason led them to seven of those appearances. His teams won three of those bowl games, all in a row. He is the only coach in Minnesota history to lead his team to more than two bowl games in a row, and the only coach there to win more than one (consecutively or not).
  • Minnesota has played (by my count) 128 seasons of football. Glen Mason coached 7.8% of those seasons, and accumulated 50% of their bowl appearances. Tim Brewster on the other hand has coached Minnesota for 2.8% of their history and has led them to 50% of their double-digit loss seasons - and he's going full steam ahead for another one.
I get that Minnesota wanted to "make a jump". I'd argue that they already had.
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That bolded part is really misleading 'perspective' - it ignores a few National Titles that Minnesota won when they played less than 10 games. Admittedly, the last of those was 50 years ago, but using the first 10-win season since 1905 thing and comparing it to the Cubs is quite a stretch. The Cubs didn't win 5 World Series between 1935 and 1960.
 
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Bucklion;1796914; said:
Good points, good points. I'll counter with these though. His 3 major coaching stops as head man were Kent State, Kansas, and Minnesota.

Kent State: 12-10, best season: 7-4, worst season, 5-6, winning seasons: 1/2

Kansas: 47-54-1, best season, 10-2, worst season, 1-10, winning seasons: 4/9, bowls: 2-0

Minnesota: 64-57, best season, 10-3, worst season, 3-9, winning seasons: 5/10, bowls: 3-4

Overall: 123-121-1, best season, 10-2 at Kansas in 1995, worst season 1-10 at Kansas in 1988, winning seasons: 10/21, bowls: 5-4

Certainly a respectable career, but I don't exactly see anything there that jumps out at me and says he was/is a juggernaut waiting to happen at a school with a few more resources. I get that people like him here, and I do too, but I don't think he was ready to make any kind of concerted jump into a perennial winner, and I think aspects of his coaching record back that up.
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So why isn't he at Indiana?

Clearly he's been willing to take on some of the worst situations in college football. He's brought the dead back to life, I guess he's yet to prove that he can make the crippled run.

He did put one hell of an embarrassing wuppin' on the Buckeyes in the 'shoe. One that I'm sure contributed to Tressel's hire so we should all be grateful for that.
 
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TheIronColonel;1795282; said:
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AVAST ME HEARTIES!
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If they wanted to go that route they should at least talk to this guy. Hell Tress has been running a brand of the spread, if he really intends to keep doing it I wouldn't mind if he brought in Holgorsen to have a chat. Add a power running game which Tress would demand and that could be pretty dangerous.

It's not like he isn't open to it
Between games, Holgorsen would entreat Leach to call a few more running plays to keep the defense honest. Leach -- who, to be fair, won an awful lot of games doing it his way -- usually declined and kept right on calling passes.
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Through their first three games, the Cowboys have run 115 times for 613 yards and seven touchdowns. They have thrown 119 times for 1,175 yards and 13 touchdowns. Oklahoma State leads the nation in total offense and passing offense, and it ranks second in scoring offense at 57 points a game.
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Sure there are almost twice as many passing touchdowns as running but 115 plays to 119 is pretty good for Tress's 50/50 goal.

Now the reason Tress would have to demand it.

Ideally, Holgorsen said, he'd prefer to throw 60-65 percent of the time.
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Oklahoma State's updated stats for the season:
TEAM STATISTICS OSU OPP
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SCORING....................... 297 163
Points Per Game............. 49.5 27.2
FIRST DOWNS................... 158 129
Rushing..................... 57 51
Passing..................... 92 74
Penalty..................... 9 4
RUSHING YARDAGE............... 1046 747
Yards gained rushing........ 1207 899
Yards lost rushing.......... 161 152
Rushing Attempts............ 225 228
Average Per Rush............ 4.6 3.3
Average Per Game............ 174.3 124.5
TDs Rushing................. 13 5
PASSING YARDAGE............... 2166 1680
Comp-Att-Int................ 168-243-9 170-272-8
Average Per Pass............ 8.9 6.2
Average Per Catch........... 12.9 9.9
Average Per Game............ 361.0 280.0
TDs Passing................. 21 13
TOTAL OFFENSE................. 3212 2427
Total Plays................. 468 500
Average Per Play............ 6.9 4.9
Average Per Game............ 535.3 404.5

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ScriptOhio;1796833; said:
This is one better. :slappy:

Lou Holtz could return as Big Ten coach?

There was some talk Tuesday that some local dreamers will try to bring Lou Holtz, 73, back as Gophers football coach, with a master plan that Holtz?s son Skip, the coach at South Florida, would succeed his dad at Minnesota.

Entire article: http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_16381702
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Hire a crazy senile has-been now so you can bring in his moderately successful and experienced son later? Great plan!
 
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BB73;1796930; said:
That bolded part is really misleading 'perspective' - it ignores a few National Titles that Minnesota won when they played less than 10 games. Admittedly, the last of those was 50 years ago, but using the first 10-win season since 1905 thing and comparing it to the Cubs is quite a stretch. The Cubs didn't win 5 World Series between 1935 and 1960.
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Fair enough. It was mean and out-of-place to compare Minnesota to the miserable Cubs.

I think my point still stands though. In the era where teams played ten-plus games with regularity, no other Minnesota coach besides Glen Mason has done it.

Their past glory is duly noted, but their ceiling is nowhere near a national title, let alone what they were able to do in that era. That's not coming back with a new stadium and a new coach.
 
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jlb1705;1797350; said:
Fair enough. It was mean and out-of-place to compare Minnesota to the miserable Cubs.

I think my point still stands though. In the era where teams played ten-plus games with regularity, no other Minnesota coach besides Glen Mason has done it.

Their past glory is duly noted, but their ceiling is nowhere near a national title, let alone what they were able to do in that era. That's not coming back with a new stadium and a new coach.
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I don't know that Minny could never compete for a national title. If they got hold of a talented young coach (Peterson) who was able to expand their recruiting and build something. They say that stadium is capable of being expanded into the 80K range. Combine that with Big Ten $$ resources, and I certainly think they could stage a renaissance. It would be no less likely than FSU's ascent in the 80s. Not saying it will happen, but it's possible.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1797363; said:
I don't know that Minny could never compete for a national title. If they got hold of a talented young coach (Peterson) who was able to expand their recruiting and build something. They say that stadium is capable of being expanded into the 80K range. Combine that with Big Ten $$ resources, and I certainly think they could stage a renaissance. It would be no less likely than FSU's ascent in the 80s. Not saying it will happen, but it's possible.
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This.

With the BTN and the money involved, any program in the conference has the resources and fan base to become part of the national picture. Iowa was moribund for decades before Hayden Frye, Wisconsin was a joke before Barry Alvarez, and JoePa has managed to get recruits to come to the geographic center of nowhere PA for decades to a program that without him has less history than Rutgers, and none of them had the advantage of the finances and exposure of the 21st century Big Ten. It's a matter of Minny getting the right coach, paying him well and keeping him around long enough to build something.

I agree that it may not happen, but it is certainly possible.
 
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