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Well, Nix fielded the position as if he was dead, so if he can at least be adequate, he's an upgrade.Piney;1901442; said:
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NFBuck;1901444; said:Well, Nix fielded the position as if he was dead, so if he can at least be adequate, he's an upgrade.
Yeah, only Hannahan's bat is dead...
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Given Nix's butchery of the position and pathetic OPS, I'd call it a wash.Bucklion;1901445; said:
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NFBuck;1901449; said:Given Nix's butchery of the position and pathetic OPS, I'd call it a wash.
Well it can't get much worse unless they move Valbuena over or bring back Parte' Marte...
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Another young kid getting rave reviews is C Alex Lavisky (a local kid)...
http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/03/lavisky-has-star-potential.html
Somebody to keep an eye on as it appears the organization thinks Santana's long term future is at 1B.
http://www.indiansprospectinsider.com/2011/03/lavisky-has-star-potential.html
Somebody to keep an eye on as it appears the organization thinks Santana's long term future is at 1B.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I hate to talk so negative about the Indians before the first pitch is even thrown out but out of the starting lineup we probably have 3 guys who could start on other teams (Choo, Santana, and O. Cabrera). There might be a few teams in the major leagues where the other 6 guys might fit in but those teams probably are not division winners. I have no idea what will happen if one of our middle infielders would get hurt. The other positions can be replaced because there is nothing there currently.
I look at our pitching staff and it just hurts my eyes. Out of the starters, Carmona is probably only one worthwhile and on most other teams he probably would be a #3 starter if his head does not explode. I think we have some arms in the bullpen and if they are mixed properly together might be able to hold us in some games before their arms giveaway due to the number of pitches they will be throwing.
If we did not have Hafner's salary, our payroll would be under $40 mil
I used to enjoy watching the Indians on STO in past years by last year really got me down and I think this year is going to be worse. I am getting tired of waiting because I have waited so many times.
I look at our pitching staff and it just hurts my eyes. Out of the starters, Carmona is probably only one worthwhile and on most other teams he probably would be a #3 starter if his head does not explode. I think we have some arms in the bullpen and if they are mixed properly together might be able to hold us in some games before their arms giveaway due to the number of pitches they will be throwing.
If we did not have Hafner's salary, our payroll would be under $40 mil
I used to enjoy watching the Indians on STO in past years by last year really got me down and I think this year is going to be worse. I am getting tired of waiting because I have waited so many times.
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You might be going overboard a little...
The BP is always a crapshoot, but they aren't contending for anything this year anyway, so may as well see what these guys have.
They're in rebuilding mode, so I'm not sure what you would expect. Asdrubal is a starter on just about any team. Going around the horn...Santana has a chance to be as good as any catcher in baseball this year. LaPorta is a young kid with potential, though I suspect this is his make or break year, Cabrera-AsCab should be a solid middle infield if they stay in one piece. If they get hurt, Donald will be back or Everett can fill in. Kipnis is the future at 2B and I'm sure he'll get a look once his arbitration clock resets if need be, 3B is a mess right now, but Chisenhall isn't far off, Hafner is a prototypical DH, Brantley has potential in CF and played well the last month last year, Choo is an All Star, Grady will eventually be back and you hope he can at least approach his old form, Kearns, Buck and Duncan are insurance policies/trade bait/temporary fill ins. It really isn't that bad, and certainly no worse than the early '90s, '02-'03 Tribe teams.LitlBuck;1901496; said:
Granted, the SP is a question mark after Fausto, but Carrasco has potential, Masterson pitched much better in September. The other two are shaky, but I suspect that'll be a revolving door anyway. White and (I suspect) Pomeranz aren't far off as they are both college kids and are both very good prospects.
The BP is always a crapshoot, but they aren't contending for anything this year anyway, so may as well see what these guys have.
The good news is Hafner's contract comes off the book after 2012...right when they look to start contending again. His contract isn't as much of a burden as you think because they're not spending any money on FA until they know what they have with these kids.If we did not have Hafner's salary, our payroll would be under $40 mil
This year is about laying a foundation for the future. There's a lot of talent approaching the majors, so there's plenty of reason to not give up hope. Plus we have a GM that actually realizes the importance of the draft. This year's gonna have it's ups and downs, but I certainly don't see it being any worse than last. A full season with Santana, hopefully a healthy LaPorta, young guys like Brantley, plus top prospects like Chisenhall, Kipnis, White, and possibly Weglarz are gonna debut this year. It's really not that bad. The only way this franchise can compete is by building from within, and that's exactly what they're doing.
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It is a real shame that the season they're gonna spend honoring the greatest Indian of them all, Bob Feller, will not be competitive. :(
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Bucklion;1901450; said:
The reason I drafted Chissenhall in my 16 team fantasy league. Expect him up as soon as his arbritration clock ticks.
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NFBuck;1901536; said:
All right people, we got 10 minutes 'till game time, let's all gather 'round. I'm not much for giving inspirational addresses, but I'd just like to point out that every newspaper in the country has picked us to finish last. The local press seems to think that we'd save everyone the time and trouble if we just went out and shot ourselves. Me, I'm for wasting sportswriters' time. So I figured we ought to hang around for a while and see if we can give 'em all a nice big shitburger to eat!
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
While, I will stick with my original post I did mean AsCab and not O. Cab. The latter has seen his better days and I imagine this will be his last year but you are correct regarding Lonnie Chis.... and third base. Laporta certainly did not do anything in spring training to enhance my hopes for him and I wish they would try someone, anyone, besides Hafner at DH.NFBuck;1901511; said:
I guess I am getting tired of waiting for these prospects to show me something. When we got Brantley and Laporta I thought they might be one year away from helping us out. They were supposedly can't miss projects and I am still waiting for their help. I know that there are quite a few guys waiting down in the minors that supposedly have tremendous potential but I guess I have been down that road before and until I see that potential in the majors I just can't buy it but I guess that's a crapshoot for every major-league team. Unfortunately, it has happened too many times to the Indians in my lifetime so you can see where I am wary.
I will never follow another team so I would just keep following the Indians and hopefully the projects will finally come through.
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OCab is a bridge until Kipnis, so he's not expected to be a long term contributor. Kipnis should be ready later this summer. I'm concerned about LaPorta as well, he was putrid this spring, but he's a perfect example of how hit-or-miss prospects are. He was very well thought of when he was acquired, so far he just hasn't panned out. I'm holding out hope he puts it together, but that doesn't look likely. It wouldn't be the worst thing if he didn't as it appears Santana's long term future is at 1B and there's some other good OF prospects.LitlBuck;1901547; said:
As for Hafner, his contract precludes them from sitting him and it's not like they have any better options. They just have to ride out the contract and hope he can contribute something like 20 HR and a decent OPS...which seems pretty plausible.
Well, LaPorta was seen as "can't miss" and near ML ready. But like I said above, he's an example of how there's no such thing as a "can't miss" prospect. Brantley was a decent, not great, prospect and they knew he would take some time. Hopefully he comes through this year. On the flipside, guys like Choo and Santana weren't huge prospects who were acquired for aging vets, so there's usually some give-take there.
As for tired of waiting, it's really only been 2 years. This was how they built the '90s teams and how they set up for the little run they had from '05-'07. Plus, now they're actually gonna try in the draft...which is nice. I'd actually argue the farm system is in better shape/deeper than it was either of the previous times. It's a crapshoot, but we're fans of a small market team and this is all we have.
Hang in there, keep an eye on the farm. Pay attention to guys like Kipnis, Chis, Weglarz, LeVon Washington, Lavisky, White, Pomeranz, House, Stowell, Knapp and Hagadone as those are the guys that should be the core of the future. At least we don't have a manager that insists on shoving his mediocre vets down our collective throats anymore.
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