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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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Piney said:
Wait, did you just say you are ok with the first couple of years of early eliminations with Wiggins until he takes over for LeBron so we can win championships??? Sorry, LeBron only has another 4-5 years of great years left you don’t want to waste them HOPING Wiggins can take over.

Also, it isn’t like Love is 35, He has a good 5-7 years of all-star level basketball in him. So our immediate window is a bit longer than you think as LeBron ages, Love can take a bigger role. So we could be looking at a 3-4 titles before LeBron leaves. This team right now is a championship contender, and that is why we brought Love here.
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LeBron has already logged 42,000 career minutes. 5-7 years of all-star level basketball isn't wishful thinking, it's laughably optimistic. 3-4 titles also seems naive to me. They may make the Finals 3-4 times, but no way are they winning that many.
 
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You have to be kidding yourself if you think Love will leave 30M on the table, and voluntarily quit playing with Lebron and Kyrie.
There is nothing "desperate" about assuming a player will take more money and keep playing with two of the best players in the NBA.
That's just common sense.

I like Aldridge, but he is a bit older (29) and doesn't seem to have 3pt range as good as Love does.
@BuckeyeMafia....@Piney was talking about Love having 5-7 years left.

I still think the Love trade was a good move.
Lebron is the best player the Cavs have ever had, we couldn't pin our hopes on a 19 year old kid to develop, while LeBron gets old.
It was not a lock that Wiggins would be as good as he turned out to be in his first year.
We knew what Love would bring, we needed a PF more than a SG, and it turned out to be a great fit.
 
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Mike80 said:
I think you're a Cavs fan who is desperately hoping that Love comes back even though he never looked comfortable or happy in a Cavs uniform...because if Love doesn't and the Cavs can't bring in another player to be with Irving and Lebron, Lebron opts out after next year and goes to a contender.

Like I said, time will tell.....
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I'll say that maybe 60-75 days ago, it was a lot more murky. Love sort of found his groove and the team won a whole bunch...then he was really in the zone for the playoffs. I actually think he's a hell of a lot more likely to stay now...but it wasn't always that way.
 
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ethan said:
It was not a lock that Wiggins would be as good as he turned out to be in his first year.
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And was Wiggins all that good anyway?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/andrew-wiggins-and-the-problem-with-scorers/

Andrew Wiggins And The Problem With Scorers
By NEIL PAINE

Minnesota Timberwolves swingman Andrew Wiggins was named the NBA’s 2014-15 Rookie of the Year on Thursday. The announcement came as no surprise: It’s an award he’s essentially been a lock to win since at least February.

But there’s a big disconnect between what the eye test (plus basic statistics such as points per game) and the analytics say about Wiggins, both in terms of his current production and his future potential. And because of that discrepancy, Wiggins is emblematic of what’s long been one of the most difficult problems to solve in basketball analysis.

According to conventional analysis, Wiggins had a standout rookie campaign. Despite being a callow 19-year-old, he averaged nearly 17 points per game for the season, including 19.1 PPG from New Year’s Day onward, and provided some of the most sharable Vines of any player in the league. On top of his scoring output, he’s also regarded by scouts as a player with elite defensive potential because of his length and athleticism. Viewed in those terms, Wiggins’s Rookie of the Year nod could be seen as a launchpad for a Hall of Fame career.

The advanced statistics are far less impressive. As others have noted, according to Value Over Replacement Player (VORP) Wiggins had one of theworst seasons by a Rookie of the Year winner since 1973-74, which is as far back as the statistic can be calculated. Also judging by VORP, 60 other rookies provided more value to their teams this season. And even after a high-scoring spike in performance at midseason, Wiggins’s final 2014-15 Statistical Plus-Minus (SPM) of -2.4 was barely better than the -2.9 mark that could have been expected by simply regressing his stats to the mean back in December.

ESPN’s single-season Real Plus-Minus (RPM) for Wiggins’s offense was higher than his SPM, suggesting he makes an impact at that end that can’t be fully detected by the box score. But in his supposed strong suit — defense — RPM ranked Wiggins in the 14th percentile of all NBA players in terms of per-possession performance, even after adjusting for the quality of his teammates (or lack thereof) and the opponents he faced. And Synergy Sports judged his capabilities as an individual defender only marginally better, ranking him in the 32nd percentile of defenders according to its video-scouting metrics.
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It's amazing the Cavs were even in it given that the Bulls shot 55% from 3 and the Cavs were 27%. I don't know if the Bulls were on fire or the Cavs were playing bad D.

Need game 2. I'll take a split without JR.
 
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